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  • SENATOR CORY BOOKER IS

  • HERE, EVERYBODY.

  • IT IS SO NICE TO SEE YOU, SENATOR.

  • IT REALLY IS.

  • EVERY TIME I SEE YOU ON THE TV WHETHER IT IS HERE ON THE SHOW,

  • CNN OR ANYWHERE, YOU NEVER FAIL TO LIFT MY SPIRITS JUST WITH

  • YOUR PRESENCE.

  • >> I REALLY APPRECIATE IT I JUST WANT TO KNOW, MAN, DID YOU VOTE

  • FOR ME, THAT IS ALL I WANT TO KNOW.

  • >> WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN ANSWER THIS VERY, VERY HONESTLY,

  • I'M NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE HERE.

  • SO.

  • >> OH.

  • >> James: I'M ONLY ALLOWED TO PAY TAX HERE BUT THAT IS

  • SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.

  • BUT IF I COULD HAVE DONE, I WULD HAVE DONE, I PROMISE YOU

  • THAT.

  • AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BIG WIN LAST WEEK.

  • I MEAN IT FELT LIKE IT WAS NEVER IN DOUBT TO US.

  • WE ARE SO THRILLED FOR YOU.

  • HOW DID YOU CELEBRATE SUCH A HISTORIC DAY?

  • >> WELL, I CELEBRATED MY OWN VICTORY BY EATING LOTS OF FOOD.

  • AND THEN A FEW DAYS LATER WHEN BIDEN AND HARRIS WERE ANNOUNCED,

  • I CELEBRATED IN A VERY ORIGINAL FASHION, I ATE LOTS OF FOOD.

  • >> James: YEAH.

  • >> AND SO I HAVE BEEN STRESS EATING.

  • I NO, IT WAS UNCREDIBLE.

  • ROSARIO AND I WERE PRETTY, LIKE THAT SCENE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU

  • SAW THE WIZ.

  • >> James: YEAH.

  • >> THE ADAPTATION WHEN THE WICKED WITCH IS FINALLY DEAD AND

  • THEY ALL START SINGING THE SONG, CAN YOU SEE A BRAND NEW DAY, SO

  • I WOULD SING IT AND SHE SINGS SO MUCH BETTER THAN I DO, BUT WE

  • HAD A GOOD TIME CELEBRATING.

  • >> James: YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE FOOD THING.

  • BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ON THIS DIET, YOU KNOW, AS I HAVE BEEN

  • FOR A DECADE.

  • AND I WAS LIKE WELL, THIS ELECTION IS TOO STLESFUL, I'M

  • JUST GOING TO EAT, AS SOON AS BIDEN GOT ANNOUNCED, IT WAS LUKE

  • WELL BIDEN'S BEEN ANNOUNCED SO I AM JUST GOING TO EAT.

  • NOW YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

  • PRESIDENT-ELECT AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A GREAT FRIENDSHIP WITH THE

  • VICE PRESIDENT-ELECT.

  • IN 2013 IT WAS ACTUALLY JOE BIDEN WHO SWORE YOU IN TO THE

  • SENATE.

  • AND AS I SAID YOU ARE VERY CLOSE WITH KAMALA.

  • AS A FRIEND OF BOTH OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE ABOUT TO START

  • RUNNING THE COUNTRY, YOU TELL US FROM A HUMAN POINT OF VIEW WHAT

  • KEUNLD OF PEOPLE HAVE WE JUST ELECTED TO OFFICE.

  • >> JOE IS INCREDIBLE.

  • I THINK THAT MOST OF US WHO RAN AGAINST HIM IN THE PRIMARY HAVE

  • BEEN EXPERIENCED-- BY THE END OF IT WE HAD MAN CRUSHESES ON HIM

  • BECAUSE HE WAS JUST ONE OF THE REALLY KIND PEOPLE BEHIND THE

  • SCENES, ENCOURAGING YOU, HE WOULD LIFT YOU UP.

  • HE WOULD KNOW ABOUT YOUR FAMILY.

  • ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS WAS JUST, I WAS TRYING TO DO

  • SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT WHICH WAS MOVE ROSARIO WHILE RUNNING

  • FOR OFFICE AT THE SAME TIME.

  • THE FIRST TIME HE SAW HER KNOWING THAT I WAS WORKING ON

  • THIS RELATIONSHIP, HE GRABBED HER HAND, WALKED AWAY WITH HER.

  • THE TWO OF THEM TALKED SERIOUSLY FOR A FEW MOMENTS THEN HE WALKED

  • HER BACK TO ME, SERMONIOUSLY PUT HER HAND IN MINE AND JUST SAID

  • TAKE CARE.

  • WALKED OFF THE DEBATE, ROSS AR WHY LOOKED AT ME AND GOES WOW,

  • THAT GUY SAY GREAT WING MAN FOR YOU.

  • AND SO JOE IS JUST SUCH A GOOD AND DESCENT GUY.

  • HE LOVES PEOPLE.

  • AND I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A PRESIDENT, I BELIEVE IN THE OLD

  • THING, YOU CAN'T LEAD THE PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T LOVE THE PEOPLE.

  • KAMALA IS LIKE A SISTER.

  • I WAS MAD AT HER RECENTLY BECAUSE SHE CALLED ME FOR MY

  • BIRTHDAY BACK IN APRIL AND WE WERE BOTH BUSY AS CRAZY BUT SHE

  • TOOK THE TIME AS A FRIEND WHO IS ALWAYS CHECKING, IN, SHE GOES

  • WHAT ARE YOU DOING, I GO I'M TRYING TO COOK.

  • WHAT ARE YOU MAWKING I TOLD HER I WAS TRYING TO MAKE LENTILS.

  • >> SHE SAID PUT IT ON FACETIME.

  • THE NEXT THUNKING YOU KNOW HER HAIR IS UP AM CURLERS SITTING

  • THERE TEACHING ME HOW TO COOK LENTILS BUT SHE WANTED ME TO CUT

  • AN ONION AND SHE HAD THIS MAGNIFICENT WAY TO CUT AN ONION

  • THAT I HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE, YOU DON'T CRY, BUT THE REASON

  • WHY I AM MAD AT HER IS WEEKS PASSED, I TRIED TO DO IT AGAIN

  • AND I CUT MAY SELF BADLY.

  • BUT SHE IS SUCH A REGULAR PERSON, SO KIND, SO FUNNY, AND I

  • AM JUST EXCITED TO SEE TWO PEOPLE WITH SUCH DEPTH OF

  • HUMANITY OCCUPY THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE LAND.

  • AND REALLY BRING CHARACTER AND KINDNESS AND GRACE BACK TO THE

  • WHITE HOUSE WHICH I HOPE INSPIRES A REAL REVIVAL-- .

  • >> James: AS DO WE, VERY, VERY MUCH SO.

  • IT IS DIFFICULT NOT TO THINK-- I AM WORRIED, MANY PEOPLE ARE

  • WORRIED BECAUSE BETWEEN NOW AND THE INAUGURATION ON JANUARY

  • 20th DONALD TRUMP IS STILL THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

  • STATES AND MANY PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT WHAT SORT OF DAMAGE THAT

  • HE COULD DO IN THE TIME, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WORRY ABOUT,

  • AND WHAT ACTUALLY, WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE CAN HE DO IN THIS MOMENT

  • BETWEEN YOU KNOW JOE BIDEN BEING SWORN?

  • AND HIM LEAVING OFFICE.

  • >> LOOK, WE ARE IN A TIME, IT IS THE FOURTH LARGEST MASS CASH ULT

  • EVENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY AND DEATH TOLL.

  • WE HAVE MANY AMERICANS WHOSE BUSINESSES WHOSE JOBS HAVE BEEN

  • LOST.

  • AND THEN COMPOUNDING ALL OF THAT, WE ARE IN A COMPLEX GLOBE

  • WITH A LOT OF CHALLENGES, SO FOR THIS PRESIDENT NOT TO BEGIN TO

  • SHARE CRITICAL INFORMATION, INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION AND

  • MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT JOE BIDEN HAS FULL AWARENESS AS HE WALKS

  • INTO THAT OFFICE IS A DISSERVICE TO ALL OF US AS AMERICANS AND TO

  • OUR NATIONAL SECURITY AND SAFETY IN THE MIDST OF THIS HORRIBLE

  • PANDEMIC.

  • SO LOOK, I HAVE LOWERED MY EXPECTATIONS ABOUT PRESIDENT

  • TRUMP FROM THE BEGINNING AND A FRIEND OF MINE THAT, WITHOUTS

  • WITH KIDS WHETHER AS TEACHERS OR ANOTHER CAPACITY KNOW THAT HE

  • ALWAYS ENGAGES IN BEHAVIOR THAT WE TELL OUR YOUNG PEOPLE JUST

  • NOT TO DO.

  • AND HERE HE IS AT A MOMENT ON A PLAYGROUND WHERE HE LOST SOME

  • KIND OF CONTEST.

  • AND IT SEEMS LIKE HE WANTS TO THROW A TANTRUM.

  • AND UNFORTUNATELY, TRY TO TAKE HIS BALL OR HIS MARBLES OR

  • WHATEVER AND GO HOME.

  • YOU JUST CAN'T DO THAT TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

  • SO I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH THAT THIS IS GOING TO RESOLVE ITSELF

  • BUT I DO WORRY THAT ON HIS WAY OUT HE WILL CONTINUE TO DO

  • DAMAGE TO THE CONSTITUTION INSTITUTIONS AND THE NORMS AND

  • REALLY THE SPIRIT AND SOUL OF OUR COUNTRY WHICH MAKES BIDEN

  • AND HARRIS HAVE EVEN MORE CHALLENGES TO TRY AND HEAL US.

  • >> ONE CHALLENGE FOR THEM IS OBVIOUSLY THE SENATE.

  • A LOT OF THE FOCUS RIGHT NOW IS ON GEORGIA WHERE THERE ARE TWO

  • SENATE RUNOFF RACES.

  • AND THAT WILL HAPPEN?

  • JANUARY.

  • LET'S JUST PRETEND FOR THE SAKE OF THIS INTERVIEW THAT I DON'T

  • COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL OF THIS MEANS.

  • JUST AS A SORT OF ROLE PLAYING GAME.

  • >> OKAY.

  • >> James: EXPLAIN TO ME, BUT OBVIOUSLY MOSTLY FOR THE

  • VIEWERS, EXPLAIN TO ME IN THE SIMPLEEST TERMS WHY WHY IS IT SO

  • IMPORTANT THAT THE DEMOCRATS NEED THESE SEATS AND DO YOU

  • THINK IT WILL HAPPEN STH.

  • >> WELL, I'M ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PRISONER OF HOPE.

  • AND JUST BELIEVE AMERICAN HISTORY, IT IS A PERPETUAL

  • TESTIMONY FOR THE ACHIEVEMENT OF IMPOSSIBLE THINGS AND WE HAVE NO

  • RIGHT TO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN IN PEOPLE THINK ARE LONG SHOTS OR

  • HARD.

  • AND THE GEORGIA RACE, THE TWO SENATE SEATS WILL DETERMINE WHO

  • IS IN CHARGE OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND AND WE KNOW

  • WHAT MITCH McCONNELL HAS GIVEN US.

  • THE LEAST PRODUCTIVE IN TERMS OF BILLS BEING PASSED, SENATE

  • LEADERS SEE JUST GRIDLOCK, WE SEE SOMETHING WHEN BARACK OBAMA

  • WAS THERE, THROTTLED HIS ABILITY TO DO LEGISLATION OR EVEN IN

  • MANY WAYS HE STONEWALLED OR STALLED A LOT OF HIS

  • APPOINTMENTS.

  • AND FOR THOSE OF US WITH WANT US TO FIND BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT.

  • YOU CAN EITHER HAVE MITCH McCONNELL WHO CALLS HIMSELF,

  • THIS IS NOT ME CALLING HIM A NAME, HE CALLS HUM SELF THE GRIM

  • REAPER.

  • WE COULD HAVE DEMOCRATS IN CHARGE WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO

  • BRING A LOT OF THOSE BILLS THAT AMERICANS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE

  • AISLE WANT TO GET DONE WHETHER IT IS PANDEMIC RELIEF OR EVEN

  • JUST A BIG INFRASTRUCTURE.

  • >> ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WHERE YOU ABLE TO WORK WITH

  • REPUBLICANS LIKE WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU LOOK TO, LET'S

  • SAY ARE YOU TRYING TO PUT A BIPARTISAN COVID RELIEF BILL

  • WHICH IS KNEE DEEP-- WELL IT'S NEEDED IN MAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I

  • MEAN, AND NOW IT'S NOVEMBER.

  • WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU LOOK TO IN THAT TO SAY WELL LET'S TRY

  • AND BUILD A RELATIONSHIP AND GET THIS THROUGH.

  • >> SO LET ME PULL BACK FOR A SECOND LOOK, IT IS SUCH AN URGE

  • ENT THING, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WE HAVE, TO DE FINE

  • COMMON GROUNDMENT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T STAND OUR GROUND BUT

  • WILE WE ARE STANDING OUR GROUND, DO THE DIFFICULT WORK TO FEUN

  • THOSE COMMONALITIESMENT I THINK THAT SAY BIG TEST AM I FELL VERY

  • BLESSED, HI ONE FULL TERM AND FOUND LOTS OF PARTNERS, DONE ALL

  • TRUMP EVEN BUYING TWO BILLS THAT I HELPED TO WRITE THAT HE WENT

  • ON AND BRAGGED ABOUT FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BILLS ALL

  • THE WAY TO CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

  • AND I, YESTERDAY, FOR VETERAN'S DAY I WAS TEXTING WITH SOME OF

  • MY COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE AISLE WHO SERVE THIS COUNTRY WE ALL OF

  • US HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE 70 PLUS MILLION PEOPLE WHO DID

  • NOT VOTE LIKE WE DID.

  • THEY ARE NOT OUR ENEMY, IN FACT THEY ARE ABSOLUTE URGENT

  • NECESSITIES IN OUR LIVES.

  • IF WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER AND DO THINGS

  • BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE.

  • RUGGED INDIVIDUALS, LOVED DIDN'T GET US TO THE MOON, IT

  • DIDN'T-- WE DID THOSE THINGSING TOMENT SO I AM GOING TO DO

  • EVERYTHING I CAN TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO BE A PART OF THAT EFFORT

  • IN THE SENSE TO HEAL THINGS BUT I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW THE

  • GEORGIA RACE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT IS VERY HARD TO GET

  • THINGS DONE UNDER MITCH McDONELL.

  • THE OBJECTIVE LOOKING AT THIS OBJECTIVELY IT IS HARD TO PASS

  • LEGISLATION UNDER HIM.

  • I THINK THIS IS CRITICAL AND PEOPLE CARE ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE

  • LEGISLATION, ABOUT HEALTH CARE LEGISLATION, ABOUT IMMIGRATION

  • REFORM.

  • IF YOU CARE ABOUT THOSE ISSUES AND LIVE IN GEORGIA, THEN VOTE.

  • AND IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN GEORGIA YOU CAN STILL LEND A HAND.

  • YOU CAN VOLUNTEER FOR THE CAMPAIGN, SEND $5, THIS IS

  • STILL, ELECTIONS MAY BE OVER BUT THIS RUNOFF ELECTION MEANS WE

  • STILL ISN'T SIT ON THE SIDELINES, WE HAVE TO GET

  • INVOLVED.

  • >> James: THOSE TWO SEATS WERE TO GO TO DEMOCRATS IT WOULD BE A

  • 50/50 SPLIT AND AM I RIGHT, THINKING THAT KAMALA HARRIS

  • WOULD BE THE DECIDING VOTE, SEAT.

  • >> BECAUSE YOU I, PLANNED IT HORRIBLY, YOU KNOW IT FACT

  • ULTLY.

  • THE SENATE WOULD THEN BE A 50-50 TIE WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT KAMALA

  • HARRIS ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION WOULD COME IN AND

  • BREAK THE TIE ON A REGULAR BASIS.

  • >> James: RIGHTS.

  • >> AND THAT TIE WOULD GO MOST LIKELY TO US AS THE DEMOCRATS SO

  • WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE AGENDA OF THE FLOOR OF THE

  • UNITED STATES SENATE.

  • AND WHILE MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUE MITCH McCONNELL MAY

  • NOT WANT TO BE CLIMATE LEGISLATION OR HEALTH-CARE

  • REFORM, WE WOULD WANT TO PUT IF ON THE FLOOR.

  • BUT FOR IT TO PASS YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIND COMMONALITY, BRUNG

  • SOME REPUBLICANS WITH US.

  • >> James: IT IS HUGELY PORNTS.

  • AMONGST THE THEORY, I THINK EVERYBODY WHO WORKS ON THIS SHOW

  • AN EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO WORK REMOTELY ON ZOOM HAVE FELT SINCE

  • THE WEEKEND WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF JOE BIDEN AND

  • KAMALA HARRIS THAT YOU CANNOT DENY THAT COVID-19 CASES ARE

  • SURGING AROUND THE COUNTRY.

  • I FEEL INCREDIBLY WORRIED THAT IF SOMETHING IS NOT DONE VERY

  • SOON, THAT REALLY IT COULD SPIRL INTO A PLACE WHERE IT BECOMES

  • MUCH MORE UNMANAGEABLE THAN IF EVER WAS IN MARCH, YOU KNOW,

  • WHEN THAT SORT OF FIRST PHASE OF LOCKDOWN HAPPENED.

  • A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY SORT OF DON'T SEEM TO

  • ACCEPT THAT IT IS REAL.

  • >> WHY IS IT THAT AMERICA SSHT LOOKING AT THE EXAMPLES OF OTHER

  • COUNTRIES, SEEMINGLY FROM AN OUTSIDER POINT OF VIEW HAVE

  • GOTTEN THIS UNDER CONTROL, WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO

  • WEAR A MASK AND REALLY TAKE THOSE PRECAUTIONS THAT WE ALL

  • NEED TO, TKLY WITH THE HOLIDAYS KMING UP.

  • >> WE ARE WEARING A MASK IS AN AFFIRMATION OF LOVE.

  • THAT I CARE ENOUGH FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

  • I CARE ENOUGH FOR YOUR HEALTH HEALTH AND WELL-BEING, FOR YOUR

  • GRANDPARENTS OR CHILD THAT MIGHT HAVE OTHER HEALTH CHALLENGES.

  • I CARE ENOUGH AND THE WORD PATRIOTISM, IT MEANS LOVE OF

  • COUNTRY.

  • YOU CAN'T LOVE YOUR COUNTRY UNLESS YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY MEN

  • AND WOMEN.

  • AND THAT IS NOT THE-- IT MENS MEANS-- I KNOW THAT THERE ARE

  • TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO EVERY DAY ARE DOING THE

  • RIGHT THING IN THIS PANDEMIC BUT IT IS NOT ENOUGH.

  • SO DON'T TELL ME YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY, ARE YOU DOING THINGS

  • THAT ARE-- THE LAST WE CAN DO IS SHOW THAT COURTESY, THAT GRACE

  • OF WEARING A MASK.

  • AND IT IS NOT JUST THIS PANDEMIC.

  • OUR ECONOMY WILL NOT FULLY RECOVER UNTIL WE GET THIS