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  • should the Eagles regret choosing Carson over falls?

  • Of course, of course.

  • What are you even talking about?

  • We're not talking about well at the time.

  • I understand their decision, a decision making process.

  • So you shouldn't have regrets.

  • That's not the question.

  • The question is what we know.

  • Given what we now know.

  • If you could do it again, would you do it?

  • Or do you regret doing it?

  • How could they not regret doing it?

  • Guys, I'm the one who was, among others who was saying Carson Wentz is the M V P.

  • At the time he was, he got hurt.

  • Was it three or four years ago?

  • Now I would say he's the M V P over Brady over everyone.

  • I thought he was great.

  • I thought it was absolutely fantastic.

  • Then he got hurt.

  • I was like, These dudes are dead in the water.

  • Come on, Nick.

  • Foles takes over.

  • They win the Super Bowl.

  • He leads them through the through the end of the regular season through the playoffs, and they win the Super Bowl.

  • He went Super Bowl M V P.

  • If it was just that, you say he caught lightning in a bottle whence put him in a position to win, you know, home field on all this.

  • He had a great team around him.

  • Okay?

  • The next year, whence I want to say the Eagles were like five and six when Foles took over the team.

  • They were either 500 or a game under 500 dead in the water.

  • The team wasn't going anywhere.

  • They were dead in the water.

  • Falls, takes over, goes four and one, beats Chicago at Soldier Field, where Chicago was a lot of people Sleeper pick.

  • They might come out of the NFC.

  • Look at this.

  • Historically great talent on defense.

  • Almost beat the Saints in New Orleans to follow up, beating the Bears at Soldier Field.

  • Receiver turns around.

  • He hit the receiver they might beat.

  • The Saints in New Orleans came that close.

  • That's a title defense and unsuccessful eventually, but that's a title defense Now.

  • The Eagles had a choice to make.

  • What did they dio They choose, whence falls goes to Jacksonville.

  • It's a bad situation.

  • I get it, but eso So what could folds do with this team there, too?

  • Banged up?

  • They don't have enough.

  • You might as well have went.

  • No.

  • Given what we know now, whence is not enough to cover up for your mistakes.

  • Well, they made the playoffs last year.

  • You're saying Folds couldn't have in Activision last year, once did not play well down the stretch.

  • They want.

  • Oftentimes, in spite of whence who played poorly, especially in the second half of games down the stretch against bad teams, Falls could have done that or he might have.

  • But even if he didn't, what was the point of last year?

  • Or this year?

  • You think you're really going anywhere, even if you happen to make the playoffs.

  • Knowing what we know now, even if Falls couldn't have put you over where once put you, it's a much smaller deal.

  • The Eagles have their hands tied right now because they've given over 100 million guaranteed to a guy who has regressed as a quarterback and is a kind of middle of the pack guy for that give less money to fold.

  • He ain't gonna do any worse, and if he does do a little worse, ain't gonna make a difference.

  • Meantime, if you put a team around folds, which arm or able to do because he gets paid so much less he can win you a Super Bowl.

  • We're gonna look out Doug Peterson because one of the reasons why people speculated that Nick Foles was successful with Doug Peterson is because Doug Peterson was very comfortable coaching him.

  • If you want to make that argument and I say yeah, because you're believing in the coach more than you believing in the quarterback and you're saying this is what the hell we're going to dio.

  • But the flip side to it is that if you're Doug Peterson, when are you going to acclimate yourself to Coach and Carson Wentz?

  • So Carson Wentz is not regressing under your watch.

  • Doug Peterson is a former quarterback.

  • Doug Peterson.

  • This guy that came from the offensive side of the ball.

  • Doug Peterson.

  • This coached quarterbacks before.

  • Why is it that this guy is regressing on your watch?

  • But we're sitting here talking about Carson Wentz and not Doug Peterson.

  • That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me, so I'm just looking at it.

  • If Nick Foles was wreaking havoc and tearing it up and doing his thing, that would be an entirely different situation altogether.

  • That's not what I'm seeing when I've watched Nick Foles.

  • That hasn't been what I've been seeing when I've watched Nick Foles since last year.

  • So as a result of that reality, along with his own durability issues, My mentality is is that the younger guy with a greater upside and a lot of people's mind was the right direction for the Philadelphia Eagles to go.

  • And I know Carson Wentz has been awful.

  • I'm not defending that.

  • What I'm saying is I'm looking ahead.

  • I'm looking at the future, and I find it very, very difficult to believe that this is going to continue.

  • And that's why I would go with the younger guy who is considered more talented, with a greater upside.

  • Who's just having a very bad year.

  • Listen, I have to agree with Stephen, and I think this whole conversation is really absurd.

  • I mean, let's let's really look at this whole thing.

  • And Stephen, They brought up some some points about Nick folding Carson Wentz number one.

  • When we look at what Carson Wentz back in 2017, Max, you would even admit that Carson once was the M V P candidate he was having that type of season.

  • The personnel around the Philadelphia Eagles was much better than what we're seeing with the Philadelphia Eagles right now.

  • Hell, the Philadelphia Eagles are shallow themselves as far as their roster and coaching situation is concerned.

  • Okay, And then to follow up on 2000 and two the following season, 2018 I mean, listen.

  • Carson Wentz held with 3 3000 yards and only seven.

  • He had 21 touchdowns and only seven interceptions in UH, in a year that he found himself injured, injured as well.

  • So it wasn't like he was just playing bad football in 2017.

  • 0, 2018.

  • It was a situation where Nick Foles again called Lightning involved and was able to make things happen with the coaching staff that he was familiar with.

  • Now we fast forward, all right?

  • You got Frank Wright, who was also part of that staff who's now the head coach of the end of albums coach who was a big part of that, that quarterback room with the Philadelphia Eagles.

  • So now you now, not only do you have a drained as Faras talent is concerned, personnel But as far as the coaching staff, that is all played.

  • Why are we seeing Carson Wentz playing that?

  • The playing the way that he's playing now?

  • I'm not absolving Carson Wentz in this particular situation because he has been stinking up the joint.

  • He has been living up to his contract.

  • But to say that Nick Foles should have been the guy instead of Carson Wentz.

  • What?

  • It what in their history?

  • What did Nick Foles history has shown you that he should been the guy that that she'd been The guy in Philadelphia was the fact that he went to Jacksonville, signed a huge contract, and then he got replaced by Gardner Minshew.

  • The fact he got way.

  • What?

  • Listen, the fact that he went to Philip went down the Jacksonville and he actually got replaced by Gardner Minshew.

  • Okay, Then he gets traded to the Chicago Bears, and we look at the Chicago Bears right now.

  • You could make an argument that mentioned your biscuits might be replaced Nick Foles in this situation.

  • So where has Nick Foles showing you right now?

  • Right?

  • Where has Nick Foles showing you right now that he should that he would have been the better pick over Carson Wentz, because I just I don't see anything that tells me that at all.

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The Eagles should regret choosing Carson Wentz over Nick Foles - Max Kellerman | First Take

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