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  • So you did your three years and you're out.

  • You know, how do you even survive those next five years?

  • Because I know you said before when you're out for 13 months.

  • So you had a contract out on you.

  • Um, you know, how do you survive?

  • Where you still watching your back?

  • Do you still watch your back to this day?

  • And also, how much does location play?

  • A part.

  • That's one thing I always found fascinating that when you actually move, you know, a few 100 miles away from the place you were, it seems strangely enough, even though there are plane right away, the effectiveness or the desire of payback drops down.

  • Well, understand this.

  • I mean, location means a lot because, you know, it's one thing to walk somebody into a room.

  • You know, best friend walks in the room, and that's it.

  • It's another thing, too.

  • In my case, travel across the country with a hit squad and, you know, take a guy out that is aware of it.

  • You know, when I changed my whole life style, meaning that I didn't go into clubs anymore.

  • I know a club is a bad place for me.

  • I'm pretty well known.

  • I know who hangs out there.

  • Somebody spots me.

  • They make a phone call.

  • I go out into the parking lot.

  • Boom.

  • I'm gone.

  • So I avoided the nightlife.

  • I didn't go to the same restaurant every Tuesday night, Wednesday night, So people know I created a pattern in my life.

  • I didn't walk my dog at seven o'clock every morning.

  • All the things that I know the guys would be looking for, I'm aware of.

  • I was very disciplined in that regard.

  • And, you know, it's one thing again to send a hit squad across the country, try to get somebody that's aware of it and then get away with it.

  • So, you know, and then what happened?

  • You know, the government did me dirty and that they were putting my name on the witness list of major trials that were going on in New York.

  • So everybody thought I was going to cooperate because normally when a guy walks away, he's cooperating.

  • You know, that's what happens.

  • Um, but then I don't show up in any of these trials, and then I get violated on my parole, and then people start to realize Well, maybe this guy is just walking away is not gonna hurt anybody.

  • And so then they had their own troubles, You know, who was indicted with?

  • Everybody got in trouble, so I became a less of, ah, concern to anybody.

  • Now, I always say this.

  • I can't go back to Brooklyn, said, Hey, guys are moving back into the neighborhood.

  • That wouldn't be very smart.

  • I probably wouldn't last 48 hours, but, you know, I always tell people I believe in God, but God doesn't tell you to be stupid.

  • You gotta use your head.

  • You know, you can, you know, do things like that.

  • But I don't think anybody is got in infamy.

  • I mean, yeah, this this I know this talk on the street sometimes because I'm all over the place now, very high profile.

  • And, you know, people still will make remarks about what I do, and they don't like it.

  • But look, I never wanted to put anybody in prison.

  • I was never out to hurt anybody.

  • I wasn't upset with anybody.

  • You know, people that I thought maybe, you know, didn't do the right thing with me.

  • Well, that's a That's part of the life.

  • You know, when you get involved, you know, that's gonna happen at some point in time.

  • So it wasn't that I was mad.

  • I wasn't even mad at my I love my dad until the moment he died.

  • I loved him.

  • We didn't see eye to eye on things, you know, And, uh, but he understood.

  • We patched everything up.

  • You know Andi, he understood what I didn't.

  • He knew it was the right thing, even though he wouldn't publicly admit it because my dad, uh, you know, he's a legend in that regard.

  • He was dying with his boots on.

  • He would never say a word.

  • That's just what he wanted to be known for.

  • And you know, the one thing I have, Brian, if I could get personal, you know, the one discussion I had with my dad?

  • I said, Dad, do you understand that our whole family was destroyed because of your involvement in this life?

  • I said we had a sister died of an overdose of drugs.

  • My brother, 25 years of drug addict, gotten a problem, cooperated with the government and became an informant against you.

  • I said, Mom, 33 years without a husband.

  • At the end of her life, their relationship was ugly because she blamed my dad for everything that went wrong.

  • I said we had another sister died.

  • She was a basket case.

  • She died at 42 of cancer.

  • The whole family destroyed because of our involvement in this life.

  • I said I didn't want to do that to my family, but seemed that the problem with my dad, uh, is he wouldn't take responsibility for He said I was framed.

  • And if I wasn't framed this what happened?

  • I said, I know that, dad, but you weren't framed because you're a doctor, a lawyer, a priest.

  • You were framed because this is the lifestyle you chose.

  • I don't agree with framing.

  • Don't get me wrong.

  • Government is not supposed to do that.

  • They have enough weapons and tools to get you the right way.

  • The government can't be lawless, but we gotta be honest and face the truth.

  • But he would never He didn't want to admit that.

  • So that was the one kind of disagreement that we had and you know, But I love my dad.

  • I know he loved me and I know he loved his family.

  • He just That was just way of thinking, you know?

  • And he didn't just He disagreed then with you walking away because he thought that was wrong.

  • He disagreed, but he accepted me back into his life, you know?

  • And I said that, you know, I was never gonna hurt anybody because I sent word to him.

  • I said, you're not gonna understand what I'm doing, but you tell people Don't worry about it.

  • I'm not gonna hurt anybody.

  • And Brian, I could have heard a lot of people.

  • I spent a long time on the street at a pretty high level, and I could have heard a lot of people, and I didn't, because that's not what I'm about.

  • It's not what I wanted to dio.

  • I testified in one case under subpoena from an associate of mine, and he never went to prison.

  • I knew what I was doing.

  • He knew what what I was doing.

  • The guy never got went to prison, didn't want our in jail.

  • So nobody cared about that guy.

  • Anyway, he was my guy.

  • And like I said, I knew how it was gonna turn out.

  • He never did a now er in jail.

  • So on.

  • I was subpoenaed, indicate.

  • And all I did was tell the truth while while my wife wild stop my wife.

So you did your three years and you're out.

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LIFE AFTER THE MAFIA: What It Was Like Adjusting To Life After Leaving The Mob - Michael Franzese

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    林宜悉 posted on 2020/11/11
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