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  • your record is your record.

  • Jamis Winston, like they only were under 500 last year and just barely because their quarterback had a head of historical season in terms of turnovers and points to the other team.

  • Like you.

  • Just replace him with an average guy who turns the ball over 15 times instead of 30 times right or throws 15 interceptions instead of 30.

  • They're nine wins.

  • We'll talk about wins and losses right now.

  • There are a bunch of quarterbacks not denying anything you're saying you plug into Brady's position.

  • They're probably six and two right now.

  • By the way, Nick Foles, who's having a bad year and doesn't look good behind a porous offensive line and without weapons, beat Brady.

  • They went head to head, and Nick Foles made a play at the end of the game and Brady didn't.

  • I think if you put a guy like that on this Bucks team, I think they're probably around six and two, maybe five and three.

  • But there are other guys where they might be 71 right now.

  • Well, first of all, first of all, first little wrong.

  • Secondly, you're assuming that everybody could do what Brady has done.

  • There's there just because of the talent around him, that which makes you wrong.

  • And thirdly, you keep bringing up.

  • Last year, seven and nine record the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the last six games, they lost the last two games of the regular season.

  • The four games prior to that they won.

  • This is what Jamis Winston is their quarterback last year.

  • Let me tell you who they be.

  • They beat the Atlanta Falcons, who obviously struggled last year.

  • They beat the Jacksonville Jaguars.

  • Don't get us started their They beat the Indianapolis Colts, who really didn't have a quarterback at that time.

  • And they beat the Detroit Lions.

  • And so let's pay attention to who they're going up against.

  • Okay, And and And that does matter in the National Football League, as it does in any level of competition.

  • I'm trying to sit up there and say that everything is about Jamis Winston, but you got You can't act like Oh, Jamis Winston is gone, but guess what?

  • There are a whole bunch of other people that could have walked into Tampa Bay and do what Tom Brady is doing because they might be David to throw the football.

  • Would they have been the right leader?

  • Well, they have galvanized the troops that way, but then they've been able to do the things that I'm not denying any of those things.

  • Guys, I'm not denying those things, but I'm saying as it shows up in the wins and losses, The fact is they just beat the Giants, who are not a good team by the skin of their teeth.

  • And when I say Nick Foles and you guys go, no.

  • Between Folds and Robiskie, they have a Chicago team that doesn't have any of the offensive weapons or offensive protection that the Bucks have, and they're one game difference, and they beat the Bucks head to head.

  • So, yes, I believe if you took a bunch of quarterbacks and put them in Tom Brady's position, their record would be around six into.

  • It might be five and three.

  • Some guys might be seven and one, but But we measure success and wins and losses.

  • No.

  • Yes, so So here's my question to you.

  • So when you start comparing Jameis Winston last year, then Heathrow for 5000 yards as well and 30 s Oh so It's not like it's the issue with Dennis Winston wasn't that he couldn't.

  • He couldn't put points up.

  • The issue was he gave it to the other team and gave them points.

  • So when you like, if you if you want to compare Nick Foles and Jameis Winston like, what would James wants to be doing in Chicago?

  • And where Nick Foles is right?

  • I mean, hey, could have 30 touchdowns.

  • He may have 30 interceptions again, Who knows?

  • Right, Like this guy can slinging around got incredible.

  • I mean, his upside is incredible.

  • He struggled on who to give it to and when to give it to him.

  • But when you're talking about, you could just replace and put a guy in.

  • He's gonna win six or seven games.

  • Nick Foles doesn't win six games in Tampa e.

  • I mean that right there.

  • They're averaging 17 points since Folds came in.

  • Travis Key.

  • Whether you love him or hate him, if he was three and oh after the first three games, they're two and three cents against better opponents.

  • I give him that, but let's not act like let's not crown Nick Falls as this guy who was also gonna come in and e Giant I am using using fools.

  • I'm using falls as a as a kind of middle low, middle pack quarterback who's having a bad year.

  • That's why I chose falls.

  • In other words, I'm trying to take a guy who can manage a game and who could be big on third down when you need him to be provided.

  • He has the necessary weapons.

  • Offensive line protection they could block for the run, a run game, receivers a defense because that's what Brady has so forget about.

  • Rogers will say Mahomes.

  • Guys like that who might be undefeated on the Bucks, like, who knows?

  • I'm talking about like it happened to be a team that needed a guy not to turn the ball over, and they were gonna be over 500.

  • No, but listen, that's that.

  • If you had a normal off season and pre season and summer, I would say you may have an argument.

  • They had nothing, bro.

  • They're meeting and throwing in Tampa without anything because they have no ability to install on offense.

  • You bring anybody else in there without any of these things and just throw him to the wolves.

  • This thing is not gonna be a good as Tom Brady has made it look and again like I'm not telling you.

  • He deserves all the credit.

  • Exactly.

  • Stephen a saying this defense, they've kept him in games.

  • It's not about what he's done to this point.

  • It's about the expectations of where they're going and where he can take them where other guys cannot.

  • So when you talk about when you when you bring a guy in and just say, Hey, you got no preseason no o t A s no nothing Just go get with this group of guys make him gel, make him work We're gonna bring in a new running back We're gonna bring a new receiver We're gonna make all this happen.

  • Hey, go, go Put it all all these ingredients together and make you know make make a world famous cake, bro It ain't that easy Like like he has made it look easy, but don't believe that, right?

  • Like, understand how much hard work this has required.

  • And this is because of Brady's leadership that everybody gets unified and on board to convince me you may have convinced me.

  • In other words, he was the man for this particular job in this season, right?

  • It's tough to argue again.

  • That's right.

  • I mean, listen, you see the light, Stephen A in the light of the other e How good.

  • How did Jeff I really appreciate Max saying that Max has been told that by numerous guest When you were off for you on another show, Jeff Max was told that but he But he suddenly he's listening to you.

  • He's seen the light.

  • He's seen a lot.

  • He is not here.

  • He is.

  • Now be quiet.

  • You gotta delay anyway.

  • You gotta delay anyway.

  • We're coming into the conversation late.

  • All of the stuff.

  • He heard you.

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    林宜悉 posted on 2020/11/08
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