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  • You spent many years, the formative part of your career,

  • working for and with Republicans.

  • And I'm curious, because I'm trying to look forward now,

  • the specifics of what happens tonight,

  • or tomorrow, in the next few days,

  • we can't say right now.

  • We think we know what's gonna happen.

  • But let's look farther forward.

  • What does the Republican Party do now?

  • Because there are a lot of people like myself,

  • I'll be honest with you,

  • I must have said this a million times,

  • I don't get as angry at Donald Trump

  • because I look at him as,

  • I think a lot of people would agree,

  • a malignant narcissist,

  • is the term which is used a lot.

  • He's someone who has a condition,

  • probably needs to be treated.

  • The people I reserve my true anger for

  • are the enablers within the Republican Party

  • who have just gone along

  • and they've all been in lockstep.

  • And I'm sort of a history buff.

  • I'm hard-pressed to think of another president

  • that had the total zombie-like control

  • of his party Totally agree.

  • like Donald Trump.

  • No one breaks ranks.

  • They're all terrified of him.

  • So what happens?

  • How does the Republican Party move forward from this point?

  • Or do they not?

  • Is it going to be still Trump's party?

  • Look, this is my private pain, usually.

  • I mean, this party that justifiably gave the Bush family,

  • and you and I have talked about this before,

  • who I worked for, such a hard time.

  • Never hesitated to criticize them,

  • and that was healthy.

  • I'm not complaining about that.

  • I'm just saying I know the Republican Party

  • is capable of saying screw you

  • to a Republican president 'cause I saw it.

  • To see them be so subservient in the face of a man

  • who doesn't believe in anything they believe in.

  • And you can argue that the base of the party's

  • more where Trump is on foreign policy and trade.

  • That might be true.

  • But the Republican elected officials are not.

  • They believe the stuff that former Republicans

  • and former Republican nominees used to believe in.

  • So to have sort of capitulated on their own ideology,

  • and then to have capitulated on their own souls,

  • is, to me, the most dangerous dynamic

  • in the era of Trump.

  • Because what's happening right now

  • is that people around Trump

  • are saying it's over.

  • It's not clear to me that anyone has walked in

  • and told him that.

  • He may have figured it out 'cause he watches...

  • He's an incessant consumer of cable news.

  • And I think even on Fox News,

  • while some of the folks in the evenings,

  • they're cheering these really sort of illogical

  • and non-evened formed law suits.

  • I mean in one state they want the vote to keep going.

  • In another, they want it to stop.

  • In another, they want ballots stuck and not.

  • I mean, you know, they don't want one thing

  • across the country.

  • So the fact that so many people allow him

  • to really desecrate the presidency

  • is, to me, the irreparable piece of his tenure,

  • which looks like it'll only be four years.

  • But I don't think there is something on the other side.

  • It's, you know, how do you build that back?

  • If you're subservient--

  • You mean not something on the other side

  • for the Republicans?

  • Because that's my curiosity--

  • For these Republicans.

  • Right.

  • If you're, and I have friends,

  • people I went to college with

  • who we didn't agree on...

  • They're smart, they're very intelligent, well-read people

  • who really love their country.

  • Who, we didn't always see eye to eye

  • because they would vote Republican,

  • I would vote Democrat.

  • But we would have long conversations

  • and we shared a lot of values.

  • And now I think we've gotten to the point

  • where those people, those friends of mine,

  • have wanted no part of Trump or Trumpism.

  • So you wonder, how does the Republican Party,

  • how does it encapsulate,

  • of how can it be big enough, a big tent,

  • that holds reasonable people,

  • and people that believe in their hearts

  • that Joe Biden is a pedophile

  • and drinks the blood of children in Satanic rituals?

  • How do you do that?

  • I don't know that there's a party there.

  • Well, look, that's a QAnon conspiracy.

  • I didn't know what QAnon was until very recently.

  • I missed pronounced them.

  • I saw them on my teleprompter and called them like Quay-non.

  • Qua-non. (laughing)

  • Like Quaalude.

  • Look, I don't think...

  • It's oil and water, right?

  • QAnon is a toxin, and I don't think you can say

  • like, oh, I'll just swim with them.

  • So it is, they are mutually exclusive.

  • And what the party has become

  • doesn't have room for reasonable people.

  • I think the smart line of questioning that you're pursuing

  • is at this point, unknowable.

  • Because I think that winning campaigns

  • always over read their mandate.

  • And Senate Republicans will think they won this

  • because they didn't lose as many seats as they thought.

  • And even if Donald Trump is rejected,

  • I think they will misread what might've been

  • a lot of anxiety about shutdowns

  • and about maybe over...

  • I think Republicans have been conditioned to believe

  • that shutdowns and lock downs

  • and public health safety measures

  • are against the interest of our economic security.

  • And I think that is not what Joe Biden

  • has been saying,

  • but I think that's where that sort of toxic mix

  • of disinformation and misinformation

  • and painting all Democrats as Socialists

  • will make it difficult for him to lead the whole country.

  • Because I think half the country truly thinks

  • he want to shut people down and leave them in their homes.

  • That is not even the public health approach.

  • But I think that until you have a party

  • that understands that that dynamic,

  • worried about the economy, worried about the shutdowns,

  • had more to do with Republicans looking healthier

  • on Tuesday night in some of these Senate races

  • than even a lot of Republicans thought they might,

  • than any sort of mandate for Trump or Trumpism

  • or what they are doing.

  • I think they will continue down this path.

  • And I think flirting with QAnon

  • and playing footsie with white supremacists

  • is a dead end road.

  • It's a cul-de-sac.

  • There is no what's the GOP on the other side?

  • It has to, you know, sort of collapse,

  • and it might in the next cycle,

  • the cycle after that.

  • And then, you know, maybe something thoughtful

  • comes up on the other side.

  • Maybe it doesn't.

  • Maybe we have this sort of corrupt path

  • of the political, you know, machinery,

  • and maybe that's what Democrats have to figure out

  • how to contend with.

  • I don't see clearly what the future is

  • for the two party system.

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