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  • Let's talk about religion while we're here.

  • And I want to get back to your policies in the House of Lords.

  • How did that happen for you?

  • Because I don't think you grew up with it.

  • No.

  • Well, I didn't really.

  • All the boarding school there was Chapel.

  • And I mean, I was aware off the Christian faith.

  • I had an aunt who was a missionary, actually on.

  • She tried to have some influence, but she'd be in a missionary in Kenya and in Nepal and leper colonies.

  • Things like I didn't see her that often.

  • And she was considered by the rest of the family as a as a quirky persons or thing she's giving you a She did.

  • Yes.

  • That's right.

  • On diverse.

  • Inside of it was, I think, Psalm 119 Verse 18.

  • Lord opened my eyes that I may behold wonderful things in your law and as a child, this leather bound bible I was valuable possession.

  • I didn't really read it except for this verse, and I never quite knew what it meant.

  • But there was that prayer.

  • Lord opened my eyes that I may behold wonderful things in your law and that's what he did.

  • He's been opening my eyes ever since.

  • I could behold one wonderful things in his law s o.

  • I sort of grew up just I would say, like anybody else, all right.

  • Except I was in Ireland.

  • I was a rock.

  • I was in Ireland, but worldly thing.

  • I mean, in the sixties, you had the, you know, promise security coming along drugs.

  • Thankfully, I never really got involved in It was early drug Drug Day.

  • Certainly.

  • You know, my father was an alcoholic.

  • I started drinking a bit, but actually had a very good piece of advice by a commissioner in the city who had these commissioners in there used to be ex Army, and they used to have these uniforms, and they used to be messengers around city.

  • There's a chap called Sergeant Simmons When I was in my early twenties and I think he saw me coming in with a hangover one day and he just said, Hey, said Michael.

  • He said, Just let me give you a word of advice he said He said, Just stick to bear.

  • He said, Avoid the spirits, Stick to bear.

  • And I thought, Well, that's good.

  • Somebody gave me a piece of advice.

  • Nobody else gave me anything like that.

  • It really stuck.

  • And I thought, Okay, I could see the danger I could.

  • I've got the danger in my history s Oh, I'll.

  • That's what I did.

  • And I think that actually helped me a lot during the twenties, my twenties, when I wasn't a Christian in the late sixties when it was all kicking off in London.

  • Absolutely.

  • What do you remember about the late forties fifties sixties in London, like what comes out?

  • I mean, it was it was hard times for the city.

  • Yeah, well, late E.

  • I mean, I was born in 44 but I mean those days and I didn't live in London.

  • Then We lived in Bark Show.

  • But, you know, there were hard post war days on Britain.

  • Britain was paying back debt to America, and it was a hard time.

  • Rationing still went on.

  • But you know, in a way, there was still that I won't say purity, but there was simplicity of life and the family life, and those values were still there in society.

  • Whereas when you get to the sixties with particularly the pop culture and this sort of liberalization and this gradual acceptance of, you know, whatever goes philosophy.

  • I was used to think Just do whatever you want to do.

  • Just don't hurt somebody else.

  • However you define that.

  • But that sort of culture started developing, so I was, uh but I was by myself.

  • So I was I was rocket.

  • I was an island.

  • So, actually, when I I got married at the age of 30 that sort of changed our lives and moved outside.

  • And then the first baby came along when I was 35 it was at that point I became a Christian, which was a bit of, ah, Damascus road experience.

  • And how did that happen?

  • Because that would have been the last thing we would have ever predicted.

  • That happened to Michael Farmer at that time.

  • No, that's right.

  • Well, I used to Yeah.

  • I mean what I mean, there are a number of things that happened.

  • Um, we lived in the fields.

  • I mean, we had a house out out in the fields and Buckingham ship Andre and just, you know, cutting the grass, going for walks, just what I would call creation.

  • You call it Nature the rhythm of it.

  • The cycle that the the the fruitfulness off it.

  • Seeing the apples on the apple tree Seeing the weeks grow every year Seeing the harvest come seeing the the seasons change.

  • That was a big, slow influence coming in that, you know, one was thinking about What is this place?

  • You know?

  • You know, the stars and sky.

  • The moon, the sun.

  • What?

  • Um, I thought this conscious human being, which is hugely complex, the whole place is so hugely complex, you know, we're only finding out how complex it is today, and yet it works.

  • It works.

  • It's extraordinary, you know?

  • So I I had that sort of going on in my head the whole time.

  • I suppose that is exposure.

  • But I mean, the Psalms saying the heavens declare the glory of God.

  • There is this speech that pause out from creation to every human being, no matter what.

  • What language you speak.

  • You understand it and nobody has any excuse.

  • It's there.

  • I think that was pouring in on me.

  • And then we had the first baby on.

  • I was thinking Who is this?

  • Who is this person?

  • What?

  • You know It was just this new baby being formed, this new human being coming from sort of nowhere on de.

  • So that was really another thing.

  • And there were a couple of other things.

  • Local minister of a church quite some way away.

  • He knocked on the door one night on bond.

  • He said, My name's Nick Maloney and just come to see how you are this We've been there a few years and nobody else ever knocked on the door.

  • We were right outside.

  • Come and have a cup of tea and Andi.

  • Anyway, we got to know him a bit and he never mentioned God.

  • But I thought hard words well, nobody else has ever knocked on the door and asked us how we are on day.

  • There was a somebody we were trying to help.

  • It was having difficulties in in their marriage.

  • And we asked my wife asked our doctor, actually, how could we help?

  • Because we didn't know how to help Andi.

  • I don't think he was a Christian, but the doctor was an old man, he said.

  • Try and encourage her to mix with people who go to church on demand, and I came back from work from city on.

  • I said what?

  • Uh huh.

  • Try and encourage her to mix of people that go to judge.

  • That's very funny thing to say.

  • Andi, I thought, Well, actually, they're probably try and be kind.

  • You're probably try and help her.

  • Actually, that's probably pretty good advice.

  • Actually, there were these sort of things going on.

  • Which thing comes a dramatic moment.

  • Side it is a Damascus road experience.

  • And, you know, basically in the middle of the night, you just heard one word, which was Michael.

  • Just clear.

  • Clear.

  • It was quite clear.

  • It was just Michael and all.

  • I said I didn't have any choice, was yes.

  • Lord on in front of my eyes was Jesus Christ is the son of God.

  • I mean, it was just It was this sort of white knowledge certainty.

  • Jesus Christ.

  • The son of God, Andi.

  • I thought then I thought this changes everything.

  • This just changes everything.

  • Um, I have toe.

  • I have to find out.

  • I have to learn.

  • Who is Jesus Christ.

  • What?

  • What does this mean?

  • I thought Well, I better start going to church.

  • I thought I'd better start reading the Bible.

  • I better.

  • I have to find out.

  • I have to learn.

  • Andi, I would say that when asked about this.

  • If you want convincing that this was the Lord speaking when I was thinking I have to go to church.

  • You know what thought next came into my head.

  • When you go to church, don't let them make you treasurer.

  • You have to learn and guess what they did.

  • I went to this little church nearby and it was a little church here.

  • I am doing reasonably well in the city.

  • Michael, would you like to be treasurer?

  • I know on But before I knew where I was I was in a teaching church in the city of London as well.

  • On day one learned a za Christian.

  • You never cease learning about God his beyond beyond learning.

  • So you always on that journey?

  • My, my, my wife.

  • Why?

Let's talk about religion while we're here.

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RELIGION: How I Found Christianity At The Age of 35 & How It Changed My Life - Lord Michael Farmer

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