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  • You know, there came a point when you were living this life where I think you had an insight into potentially the downside of being, you know, in the family you were in and in the life you were in.

  • And I was wondering, could tell us a little bit about you know, that night that you got called in to kind of explain the amount of money you were making because I know you were getting kind of well known.

  • And I think the press was reporting how much money you were making, or people were talking about how you had become big time.

  • And I think your own family was starting to think you might be hiding money from them.

  • And they called you in for a sit down, which, you know, you learned a lot from that.

  • I know it was a big moment in your life, and maybe you could frame that story for us and tell us what happened and what you learned.

  • Yeah, you know, and it's kind of common in that life, Brian, you know, people are always looking at you, and, you know, there are power struggles and, you know, people get things in the head.

  • I was making a lot of money, and there was a report in the media that I was getting powerful enough to break away from the Columbus and start my own family.

  • It was a fictionalized story.

  • There was no basis of fact, of truth in it at all.

  • But you know, things like that get into people's heads.

  • And, you know, I had the Russians with May.

  • I had a big crew.

  • I had my own jet plane.

  • I had a helicopter, You know, I had a lot going on, bringing in millions.

  • So, you know, people start Thio.

  • Hey, what's really going on with this guy?

  • So you know, one of the horrors of that life and I have to say that Is that you know, you make a mistake.

  • People are upset with you.

  • Your best friend walks you into a room, you don't walk out again, and that is a horrible part of that life.

  • So I got that call one night and, you know, it was a tough situation because I kind of knew what was going on.

  • You know, some guys in you know, the hierarchy of our family.

  • I was a captain at that time.

  • Uh, they started questioning something.

  • My Russian, you know, relationships.

  • And the Russians came back to me and told me, and there was kind of a little bit uneasiness on the street.

  • So when I got this call, I was concerned.

  • I mean, I thought I could have walked into that room and not walked out again.

  • The set up was not good.

  • It was bad.

  • And, you know, it was mawr of I mean, obviously.

  • I mean, I don't want to say foot back, but I held my own and said, Hey, you know why you believe in these kind of things?

  • We went back and forth at the end of it.

  • Everything was great.

  • You know, I got a hug, have a glass of wine and all this kind of stuff.

  • But it was a tense situation for me, and it puts something in my head, you know, and this was two years before I actually walked away, but I never forgot it.

  • I said, man, because you know, my my father was out on parole at that point, and, uh, you don't stand up for me the way he should have and that was a kind of crushing blow for me.

  • I didn't do anything about it.

  • I didn't even talk to him about it.

  • Because in that life, you learned to keep a lot of inside.

  • You don't want to discuss things, and, uh, but it did have an impact on me.

  • Um, and later on, it was it figured into my decision toe walk away because I said, Man, you know, if your own guys are not trusting you and you know your father, even its's, what do we have here?

  • You know, and I thought of it that way, but, yeah, you know, And, you know, I was one of the younger guys.

  • So, you know, some of the old timers, they naturally resent the younger guys.

  • Especially if you're doing well making money, you got position and, you know, so you have to deal with that.

  • I mean, I guess it's the same in life, except that the consequences aren't as severe as it could be in the mob life.

  • But, you know, when you were younger guy and you're doing well, some of the old timers, they resent you.

  • I had to deal with that because there was rumors you were making, like, $2 billion and they were thinking you were maybe pocketing it.

  • And like you said and all the other bosses are all the other captains, they're not making what you're making.

  • So yeah, that's a tricky situation that you have to deal with when they bring you in.

  • And I think one of your best friends kind of drove you to that meeting and you talk about making that walk from the car to the basement of that house or wherever you went and not knowing what was gonna happen.

  • And that was, I think, one of the longest walks of your life.

  • It was scary, Brian.

  • I mean, I remember it vividly now when I when I talk about that, I could remember It was a night in August, so it was warm, and I could remember the, you know, the little firebugs we used to call him.

  • Lighten up.

  • And I remember I can I can smell the the flowers and I can I can just hear the crickets.

  • I mean, it becomes very vivid because when you think you're gonna go, man, everything becomes very sharp.

  • Your senses and I would say when I was walking, it was about a 30 yard walk from the car to the basement apartment.

  • I had to go in.

  • And I can tell you I don't know how my knees were weak.

  • It was It was a tough experience, because when that door opened, I didn't know.

  • You know, moment.

  • I was gonna be the last thing I saw.

  • Um, but somehow I held my own.

  • I didn't faint.

  • Um, but it was very, you know, and I don't mind telling me that's a scary situation.

  • And people say to me, Michel, why didn't you cut and run?

  • You know, why didn't you just running away?

  • I said, I don't know.

  • You know, it wasn't a macho thing.

  • It was just kind of robotic.

  • I just said, Well, this is it.

  • This is it.

  • You know, you get into that mindset.

  • I was so much a product of that life.

  • I said, Well, if this is it, this is it.

  • And crazy.

  • I mean, I know it's crazy to think that way, but that's how I dealt with it.

  • And you ask your buddy later.

  • I think you said to him Why didn't you say something to me?

  • And what did he say to you?

  • I said, you know, I got mad at him because he was a good friend.

  • You know, I knew him well.

  • And I said, You know, you didn't prepare me.

  • You didn't tell me what was going on, and he looked and he said, Well, Michael was the other way around.

  • Would you have told May?

  • And I said no.

  • He's Well, that's the light we lead, You know, You know it as well as you grew up in it.

  • You know, it is better it well or better than anybody else.

  • And he was DWright.

  • He was right.

  • Wow.

  • And he I think it was him that later told you that your father didn't stand up for you in that meeting.

  • And I know you didn't talk to your father about that, but did you ever speak to your father about that?

  • You know Brian?

  • Yeah, my dad.

  • Rather than defend me because my dad had juice, you know, defend me.

  • He just said, Hey, I don't know if my son is doing that making money.

  • I don't know.

  • He does everything.

  • I don't do anything.

  • I'm on parole.

  • So he kind of took the high road and he didn't defend me.

  • And that really hurt.

  • I mean, it really, really hurt.

  • Um, I never said a word to him, but when I was writing my first book, I was I was really laboring as to whether to put that in the book.

  • But it was so significant for me that I said, You know what I have to So I put it in my book because it really if that incident didn't happen and my dad, you know, would have defended me, I don't think I would have walked away from the life.

  • So that had such an impact on me because I said, Man, if my dad and I are so close, and I know there's a deep love their But if this life can separate me and my dad, what do we really have?

  • So it had such an impact on me that I felt I had to write in the book and he read it in the book.

  • He called me and he said, What is this stuff you're right?

  • Asked.

  • Well, Dad, I had to write it.

  • I said It's true.

  • He said, Well, Jimmy was lying to you.

  • I said, I don't believe he was lying to me, Dad, I think it was true.

  • I said, I I know the circumstances.

  • I know this set up.

  • I was there.

  • I said, Uh and I believe it's a true but it's okay.

  • I said, I don't love you any less I said it was a matter of fact.

  • You probably did me a favor because look where I am now.

  • So but he deny, deny, deny, you know, because my dad always told me one thing.

  • Also, he said, Never admit anything, Deny it forever.

  • So you know, he's kind of a victim of his own teachings to me.

  • So I I knew it happened.

  • But and that's the life, Brian.

  • It's sad, but true.

  • The strange thing is, that probably saved your life.

  • I believe so, because I I really mean even though, you know, I met my wife, she had an impact on me and all these things happened.

  • I don't think I could have ever turn my back on that life because I knew would have hurt my father tremendously.

  • Had that not happened on, I really mean that I've gone over that many, many times in my mind.

  • But I said, man, if this happened once, could it happen again?

  • Because the next time it really be over for me.

  • I can't even trust my dad in that regard.

  • Not that my dad.

  • And you know, I want to be clear.

  • I don't think my dad would have pulled the trigger on me or anything like that.

  • But, you know, sometimes omission Is Justus bad as commission, you know, it could be just a devastating.

  • And that day it was omission on his part That hurt me.

  • Yeah, you're probably on a knife edge that night where every every ounce could have helped for sure.

  • Absolutely.

  • Absolutely.

  • And, you know, my father knew that I was doing the right thing there.

  • I mean, I wasn't doing anything wrong.

  • Look, you know, when I brought this into the family, this was my deal.

  • I took all the risk.

  • It was all my guys, nobody else.

  • You know, we were putting in trouble as far as made guys or the family.

  • So, you know, it was my deal that I turned over to them assed faras.

  • Money was concerned, so they were happy about it.

  • Let them be wrong.

  • I mean, you know it.

  • It made me rise in the ranks.

  • And, uh, but, you know, there is a story.

  • Somebody read it on a platform.

  • Uh, just a couple of weeks ago that I was worth $20 billion of that in 19 eighties who was worth $20 billion in 1980.

  • I mean, it was ridiculous.

  • But that's how the you know, the media inflates things.

  • The government inflates things.

  • I mean, there was no truth to that.

  • I mean, I was doing pretty well, but $20 billion.

  • I don't think Bill Gates was doing that in the eighties.

  • I mean, you know, it's crazy.

  • Wild.

  • My wife, my wife.

You know, there came a point when you were living this life where I think you had an insight into potentially the downside of being, you know, in the family you were in and in the life you were in.

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THE FAMILY SIT DOWN: What I Learned From Working With The Colombo Crime Family - Michael Franzese

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