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  • -My next guest is the national political correspondent

  • for NBC News and MSNBC.

  • He's going to help us unravel everything going on

  • with last night's presidential election, hopefully.

  • Here is Steve Kornacki.

  • Steve, welcome back to "The Tonight Show."

  • Thanks again for coming on. I know you're so busy.

  • I was watching you all last night,

  • and I appreciate you giving us some of your time today.

  • -Yeah, Jimmy, happy to be here.

  • The election lives on a day later.

  • -And everyone online loved your

  • passion and enthusiasm and your skill with the touch screen.

  • And MSNBC even had a thing called Kornacki Cam, which --

  • Did you enjoy that, the Kornacki Cam?

  • -The problem is, I always forget that it's there,

  • and so, you know, I'll get texts from friends or from family,

  • who will be like, "You know, you should be aware

  • that you're on this right now,"

  • 'cause I'm probably -- You know, who knows?

  • -You're bending over in front of the camera, looking...

  • But I liked watching you just, like --

  • Sometimes, you're on the camera going like...

  • You're, like, biting your tongue.

  • You had, like, a marker and you're like...

  • You're like a little kid taking a test.

  • I was like, "Oh, this so legit. This is so real.

  • He loves this type of stuff."

  • I ran into you in the hallway last week or Tuesday,

  • and I'm telling you, man,

  • you're the busiest man in show business right now.

  • -I mean, this is my season.

  • You know, I say, every four years,

  • we get the president.

  • Every two years, we get some kind of big election.

  • You know, you get the midterm elections.

  • But every four years, you know, that's the Olympics.

  • -Yeah. You definitely showed up, buddy.

  • I want to talk about the election, if we could.

  • We're talking this afternoon, before the show airs tonight,

  • so things could change, but where do things stand

  • with the election as of this late afternoon?

  • -Yeah, I mean, we could just take a look here.

  • You know, the road to 270 --

  • Joe Biden, you know, as we're taping this,

  • has just moved up to 253 electoral votes,

  • so he's closing in right now on that 270.

  • Trump is the one who needs a lot of breaks the rest of the way.

  • If Biden's gonna win the election at this point,

  • there's multiple combinations here.

  • The easiest one for him would just be

  • to win Pennsylvania at this point,

  • because with everything he's got,

  • Pennsylvania would put him over the top.

  • Now, it looks like it's gonna take some time

  • in Pennsylvania, maybe another day or two,

  • to get all the ballots counted.

  • So if you put that one aside for a minute, you know,

  • Biden has other possibilities.

  • I think Arizona.

  • It might even be by the time this airs,

  • we might get a readout from Arizona.

  • Biden is leading there now.

  • If he wins it, you see he edges closer.

  • And then, tomorrow -- tomorrow morning --

  • we're going to get, I think, the final votes out of Nevada,

  • where Biden is also leading.

  • If he got Arizona plus Nevada,

  • there's another combination for 270.

  • And there are a couple more on top of this,

  • but, basically, at this point, you know, Biden at 253.

  • There's multiple routes here.

  • You know, for Donald Trump,

  • there's really only one at this point,

  • and it pretty much involves

  • sweeping what's on this map.

  • -Yeah, there was a couple moments

  • where I was watching yesterday where you would get an alert

  • from Brian Williams, and you're like, "Here we go."

  • Then you go, "Well, okay, Brian, well, actually,

  • that's only 10 votes."

  • So it doesn't really -- Okay, yeah.

  • So, right now, Trump's in the lead,

  • but there's only -- There's 7 for..."

  • It's like -- It wasn't really a thing.

  • You're like, "You've got to stretch.

  • Dude, we got a long night, buddy."

  • -Sometimes, this board will surprise you, you know?

  • And I tell people -- It's like, sometimes also --

  • Thank God it didn't happen too much.

  • It's like the old floor at the Boston Garden.

  • There's dead spots all over it.

  • And you'll touch it five times, and you know you're on TV,

  • and it's a very --

  • -Are your arms exhausted?

  • -No. I don't get -- It's my legs 'cause I stand,

  • you know, all night.

  • -You got to get to a stool, buddy.

  • -18 hours. Well, I know.

  • And I'll fall asleep or -- I got to stand.

  • -Yeah, that's true. You got to stay awake.

  • Steve, do you think -- What do you think about recount?

  • Is anyone talking about recounts anywhere?

  • -Yeah, they are.

  • Wisconsin, they are, because if you just look

  • inside the results in Wisconsin right now,

  • you know, Biden -- we're calling him the

  • "apparent winner" of Wisconsin.

  • It's very close. It's less than a 1-point margin.

  • The rule there is, you know, the losing candidate --

  • or any candidate for that matter --

  • can request a recount if it's less than a point.

  • The Trump folks are talking about requesting a recount.

  • The margin right now in Wisconsin is 20,000 votes.

  • Biden by 20,000 right now.

  • That's basically, by the way, the same margin

  • that Trump won Wisconsin by four years ago.

  • He won the state, Trump did, four years ago by 23,000.

  • Now Biden's up 20,000, and we think, basically,

  • all the votes are counted there.

  • But, yeah, the Trump folks -- if they want a recount,

  • they have a right to ask for one.

  • It looks like it's less than a point there.

  • -And estimation -- how long do you think that will take?

  • -Yeah, that's a process.

  • I think we got a little handy guide to the recount here.

  • The recount -- This could play out, basically,

  • in a two-week period, you know, after the election.

  • -I do like, by the way, this touch screen.

  • And I just thought it kind of made me laugh

  • that every time there's a number, you're very --

  • But now people kept touching that pen

  • and then doing a green circle.

  • I'm like, "You can just point at the number.

  • We're okay.

  • You know, we don't need to be impressed by

  • the cartoon circle."

  • I'm like, "At this point,

  • just point at the number and tell us what it is

  • so that we know what's going on."

  • -And I got to tell you, Jimmy, I got in trouble

  • on your show because of that telestrator a couple years ago,

  • because I was drawing on the map,

  • and you seemed to think it looked like

  • part of the reproductive anatomy.

  • -Hey, we got to make people laugh.

  • You know, we both have jobs to do.

  • -I didn't know I was making people laugh.

  • -Yeah, no, that's -- You were. Exactly. That's true.

  • Are you kind of inspired that this is

  • the biggest turnout in the century?

  • And what does it tell you about this country and this election?

  • -Yeah, I think it tells you two things.

  • On the one hand,

  • folks are clearly passionate about politics right now.

  • It's amazing to see these levels of turnout.

  • You know, on the other hand, though, I think

  • looking at all those states as they came in last night,

  • it really showed me, as that map filled in, how divided we are

  • and how divided we've been for four years,

  • because that's the thing I kept seeing in state after state.

  • You know, Biden has won a couple states

  • that Hillary Clinton didn't in 2016,

  • but the actual change is very small and very slight.

  • We remain a very divided country, too,

  • so, you know, it's kind of a balance of things here.

  • I think the division, though, really becomes evident

  • when you look at some of these maps fill in.

  • -It was so interesting.

  • Steve Kornacki, thank you again for coming on the show

  • at such an intense and busy time.

  • Keep up the great work.

  • And I hope I can get to see you soon.

  • In the meantime, I'm looking forward to

  • you getting a nap in, buddy.

  • -Me too. Thanks, Jimmy. -Steve Kornacki.

  • Watch his continuing election coverage on MSNBC.

-My next guest is the national political correspondent

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