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  • MAYOR PETE BUTTIGIEG!

  • ( APPLAUSE ) BUTTIGIEG, WHO IS HERE ON

  • THE SHOW.

  • I FEEL SO LUCKY.

  • >> LIKEWISE.

  • I'M HONORED TO BE WITH YOU.

  • I'M A FAN.

  • >> James: THAT IS THE LOVELOVELIEST THING YOU COULD

  • SAY.

  • I'M SO HAPPY YOU HAVE MADE THE TIME TO SPEAK WITH US

  • TODAY BECAUSE THIS IS THE EVE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL

  • ELECTION.

  • WE'RE ALL FEELING, IF I'M HONEST IN THIS ROOM, A

  • LITTLE WEIRD.

  • WHERE IN THE COUNTRY ARE YOU RIGHT NOW, AND HOW ARE

  • YOU COPING THROUGH ALL OF THIS?

  • >> I'M RIGHT AT HOME IN SOUTH BEND, BUT I'VE BEEN

  • ON THE ROAD A LOT.

  • I WAS IN MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, PENNSYLVANIA,

  • CAMPAIGNING FOR JOE BIDEN, AND IN FLORIDA NOT LONG

  • AGO.

  • IT FEELS GOOD TO BE ON THE ROAD, ALTHOUGH WE DO IT IN

  • A DIFFERENT WAY FOR THE CONCERN OF THE SAFETY OF

  • THE PEOPLE WHO JOIN US.

  • I DO A LOT OF TV APPEARANCES AND MAKE LOT

  • OF PHONE CALLS TO FRIENDS.

  • THERE IS A -- THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IS

  • GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION, BUT THERE ARE

  • GREAT CANDIDATES RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE TICKETS.

  • WE'RE FOLLOWING A LOT OF THOSE RACES AND HOPING FOR

  • THE BEST TOMORROW.

  • >> James: I'M FINDING IT INCREDIBLY STRESSFUL.

  • WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON THESE FEW STATES.

  • FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, HOW CLOSE DO YOU THINK

  • THIS RACE IS GOING TO BE?

  • >> SO IT COULD BE VERY CLOSE.

  • LOOK, THE STRANGE THING ABOUT THE SYSTEM THAT

  • WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW IN THE U.S. IS THAT YOU CAN HAVE,

  • AS IT LOOKS LIKE JOE BIDEN HAS, A 10-POINT LEAD

  • NATIONALLY, BUT IT DOESN'T COUNT UNLESS YOU WIN IN

  • THESE CRITICAL STATES.

  • LATER ON I HOPE WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THE

  • SYSTEM COULD BE FAIRER, BUT THIS IS THE SYSTEM

  • WE'VE GOT.

  • IT WILL COME DOWN TO THE SWING STATES, AND IF YOU

  • HAVEN'T GOT YOUR VOTE IN EARLY, GO TO

  • Iwillvote.com, AND MAYBE YOU ALREADY VOTED AND

  • YOU'RE NOT SURE ABOUT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, CALL A

  • FRIEND, CALL A COUSIN, CALL SOMEONE YOU CARE

  • ABOUT, AND DOUBLE CHECK THEY MADE A PLAN, TOO.

  • IT IS ALL GOING TO COME DOWN ABOUT GETTING OUT THE

  • VOTE, THE EARLY VOTE WE'VE BEEN PUSHING, AND THAT

  • CRITICAL ELECTION DAY VOTE.

  • >> James: THAT ELECTION DAY VOTE IS CRITICAL.

  • WE'VE ALL SEE THE NEWS STORIES OF THE PAST FEW

  • WEEKS, OR EVEN MONTH, WHERE RECORD NUMBERS OF

  • MAIL-IN BALLOTS -- YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND

  • HIS CAMPAIGN TEAM HAVE ALREADY STARTED SAYING

  • THAT, OH, THESE VOTES SHOULDN'T BE COUNTED.

  • THERE IS MAIL-IN FRAUD.

  • IF HE CLAIMS VICTORY, HOW CAN HE EVEN DO THAT?

  • AND, SECONDLY, HOW DO WE STAY CALM AND GO, NO, NO,

  • WE JUST HAVE TO COUNT EVERY VOTE?

  • >> THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT OUR

  • COUNTRY IS DEMOCRATIC.

  • IT IS ONE OF THE DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS OF

  • AMERICA.

  • THIS ISN'T UP TO THE PRESIDENT.

  • IT IS UP TO US.

  • HE CAN SAY WHATEVER HE LIKES, BUT WE'VE GOT TO

  • MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE VOTES GET IN AND ALL

  • OF THOSE VOTES ARE COUNTERED.

  • ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TROOPS SERVING

  • OVERSEAS WHO HAVE TO MAIL IN THEIR BALLOTS.

  • PEOPLE WHO VOTED EARLY.

  • EVERY ELIGIBLE VOTER DESERVES TO BE COUNTED.

  • THE GOOD NEWS IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING THE

  • POLLS, I'VE MET THEM IN OUR COMMUNITY AND AROUND

  • THE COUNTRY, AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB WITH

  • INTEGRITY.

  • THAIRNTHEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VOTES GET

  • COUNTED.

  • HE CAN'T DROWN OUT THE SIMPLE AMERICANS WHO ARE

  • COMING OUT TO VOTE.

  • >> James: HE IS STIRRING UP SO MUCH RAGE AND ANGER.

  • JUST OVER THE WEEKEND, WE SAW TRUMP SUPPORTERS

  • SURROUNDING JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS' BUS, AND

  • THEY WEREN'T ON THE BUS, BUT IT WAS TRAVELING

  • THROUGH NEW JERSEY AND TEXAS AND NEW YORK.

  • THEY SHUT DOWN BRIDGES AND MAJOR HIGHWAYS.

  • I'M SEEING SHOPS BEING BOARDED UP.

  • IT IS ALL WELL AND GOOD SAYING WE HAVE TO KEEP

  • CALM AND TRUST THE PROCESS.

  • WHAT WOULD YOUR ADVICE BE, AND HOW NERVOUS ARE YOU

  • ABOUT TALK ABOUT CIVIL UNREST THIS COMING WEEK?

  • >> IT SHOWS YOU THE CHAOS THAT WE'VE COME TO IN THE

  • TRUMP ERA.

  • THE IDEA IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WE ARE

  • WORRYING ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF POLITICAL

  • VIOLENCE.

  • IT SHOWS YOU EXACTLY WHY WE CAN'T AFFORD FOUR MORE

  • YEARS UNDER THIS PRESIDENT.

  • BUT, AGAIN, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A REALLY ROBUST

  • CORE TO OUR SYSTEM.

  • AND, BY THE WAY, ALSO, THIS KIND OF THING IS ONLY

  • HAPPENING BECAUSE THERE IS A LEVEL OF PANIC ON HIS

  • SIDE.

  • THIS BEHAVIOR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS NOT

  • THE KIND OF THING YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE WINNING.

  • IT IS A SHOW OF DESPERATION, AND IT IS NOT

  • GOING TO HELP.

  • IF THERE IS ONE THING THAT WE'VE LEARNED IN RECENT

  • YEARS, SHUTTING DOWN BRIDGES IN NEW JERSEY HAS

  • NOT EXACTLY WORKED OUT WELL FOR THE REPUBLICAN

  • PARTY.

  • THESE KINDS OF THINGS AREN'T GOING TO HELP THEIR

  • CAUSE.

  • THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO STRENGTHEN THE

  • AWARENESS -- I'M A DEMOCRAT, LIKE JOE BIDEN,

  • BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF REPUBLICANS AND

  • INDEPENDENTS CROSSING OVER, AND IT IS HELPING US

  • BUILD A COALITION THAT ISN'T JUST ONE PARTY.

  • IT IS DEMOCRATS, PROGRESSIVES, MODERATES,

  • REPUBLICANS, ALL SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

  • IT IS TIME TO GET A NEW PRESIDENT, THAT ALL COMES

  • TO A HEAD TOMORROW.

  • >> ames: IT IS LOVELY TO HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT

  • THAT.

  • FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, MY ENTIRE LIFE GROWING UP IN

  • HIGH WICKEM BUCKINGSHARE, AMERICA WAS THIS BEACON OF

  • HOPE AND JOY AND POSITIVITY.

  • IT WAS A PLACE WHERE ANYTHING WAS POSSIBLE.

  • AND ME AND MY FAMILY, OUR CHILDREN -- YOU KNOW, I

  • HAVE AN AMERICAN DAUGHTER.

  • AND WE RUSHED HERE.

  • AND IT WAS INCREDIBLE.

  • AND IT REALLY HAS ONLY BEEN IN THE PAST SORT OF

  • TWO YEARS THAT FRIENDS OF MINE BACK HOME, ON THE

  • PHONE, ARE GOING, YOU'RE NOT GOING THE STAY THERE,

  • ARE YOU?

  • IT IS ONE THING SAYING WE HAVE TO BEAT TRUMP.

  • STILL, THAT DOESN'T BEAT TRUMPISM OR WHAT HE

  • REPRESENTS.

  • >> THAT'S RIGHT.

  • >> James: WHAT DO YOU AND JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA

  • HARRIS, YOU SENIOR MEMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY,

  • WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR TRYING TO RESET THE

  • COUNTRY AND REBUILD SO MUCH OF WHAT HAS BEEN

  • BROKEN OVER THESE LAST FOUR YEARS?

  • >> YEAH.

  • I MEAN, THIS IS UP TO ALL OF US.

  • I THINK STEP ONE IS GETTING THE RIGHT KIND OF

  • LEADER, AND THAT'S WHO JOE BIDEN IS.

  • THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO DO IN OUR OWN

  • LIVES.

  • REMEMBER WHAT AMERICA CAN BE, AND BUILD A FUTURE

  • WHERE EVERYBODY CAN BELONG.

  • I'M SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE BREAK DOWN OF TRUST,NITY

  • JUST IN INSTITUTIONS, BUT IN NECHTD.

  • IN EACH OTHER.

  • JUST FOR OUR COUNTRY TO BE ABLE TO RUN AND THINGS TO

  • BE ABLE TO WORK.

  • AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE LIVE IN THE SAME REALITY.

  • YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TELL FROM GOING ONLINE,

  • BUT THE HARD TRUTH IS WE'RE GOING TO RISE AND

  • FALL TOGETHER AS A COUNTRY.

  • ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IT WILL BE MAKE OR BREAK FOR

  • THE WHOLE AMERICAN PROJECT.

  • AND AS YOU TALK ABOUT IT, AND THE WHOLE WORLD IS

  • WATCHING, THERE ARE A LOT OF FRIENDS WATCHING WHO

  • WANT AMERICA TO BE OUR BEST AMERICA.

  • YES, THAT'S UP TO HAVING A BETTER PRESIDENT, BUT IT

  • IS UP TO ALL OF US.

  • >> James: I THINK YOU PLAY A MAJOR PART IN THIS,

  • I REALLY, REALLY DO.

  • YOU HAVE EARNED THIS WONDERFUL NICKNAME OF

  • SLAYER PETE FOR YOUR SHARP TAKEDOWN OF FOX NEWS

  • ANCHORS AND PUNDITS.

  • IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE WATCHING YOU GO INTO THE

  • LION'S DEN.

  • I THINK YOUR ATTITUDE THIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN, I FOUND IT

  • REALLY ENLIGHTENING.

  • DO YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN CHANGE SOME REPUBLICANS'

  • MINDS BY GOING ON FOX NEWS AND BEING SO OPEN WITH

  • TRUTH AND FACT?

  • >> ABSOLUTELY.

  • YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WIN EVERYBODY OVER.

  • BUT, YES, THIS IS A NETWORK THAT IS NOT VERY

  • FRIENDLY TO MY PARTY OR MY PERSPECTIVE.

  • BUT I KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE GET THEIR NEWS FROM THIS

  • NETWORK, AND THEY'RE WATCHING IN GOOD FAITH.

  • AND I CAN'T BE MAD AT SOMEBODY FOR NOT

  • SUPPORTING MY PERSPECTIVE IF THEY'VE LITERALLY NEVER

  • HEARD IT.

  • SO IT IS MY JOB TO CROSS THAT LINE, TO COAX THROUGH

  • THE WALLS OF THAT MEDIA BUBBLE.

  • AS LONG AS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ME ON, I'VE GOT TO

  • GET ON THERE.

  • I'M DOING IT AGAIN TONIGHT, TO MAKE SURE THAT

  • THAT PERSPECTIVE IS THERE.

  • I DO THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO MAYBE VOTED

  • REPUBLICAN THEIR WHOLE LIVES, MAYBE GREW UP IN A

  • FAMILY WHERE BEING REPUBLICAN IS THE SAME

  • THING AS BEING A PATRIOTIC AMERICAN, OR A PERSON OF

  • FAITH.

  • AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING, THAT IS NOT ME, THAT'S NOT

  • WHO I AM, AND THEY'RE READY TO DO SOMETHING

  • DIFFERENT.

  • I HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW IT IS OKAY TO CHANGE YOUR

  • MIND.

  • >> James: MY FAVORITE PART WHEN YOU GO ON FOX

  • NEWS IS NOT NECESSARILY WHEN YOU SPEAK, BUT THE

  • THREE SECONDS OF SILENCE BACK IN THE STUDIO AS THE

  • HOSTS GET ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED AND GO...MOVING

  • ON.

  • [LAUGHTER] >> James: OF COURSE, ALL

  • OF THIS IS HAPPENING DURING THIS MOST STRANGE

  • OF TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, 80,000 NEW INFEC INFECTIONS OF

  • COVID-19 ARE BEING REPORTED DAILY.

  • WE JUST SAW AND TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE TOP OF THE

  • SHOW, THE LATEST TRUMP RALLY WHERE PEOPLE WERE

  • CHANTING FIRE FAUCI.

  • WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU SEE THIS SORT OF BEHAVIOR?

  • >> IT IS REALLY DISTURBING BECAUSE YOU LEAD FROM THE

  • TOP.

  • AND THE EXAMPLE THAT THE PRESIDENT SETS MATTERS.

  • NOT JUST THE POLICIES.

  • OBVIOUSLY WE NEED BETTER POLICIES THAT GET

  • EVERYBODY HEALTH CARE AND TAKE CARE OF THESE ISSUES,

  • BUT JUST THE EXAMPLE.

  • HE IS TELLING A LOT OF PEOPLE IT IS PERFECTLY

  • OKAY TO GATHER IN CLOSE QUARTERS, NOT HAVE A MASK

  • ON, AND BLAME DOCTORS SOMEHOW FOR THIS PANDEMIC.

  • WHEN HE SIGNALS THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO

  • BELIEVE IT JUST BECAUSE HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE

  • UNITED STATES.

  • DOWN TO THE MOST BASIC LEVEL OF FAMILIES AND

  • COMMUNITIES.

  • WHEN I BECAME MAYOR, I REALIZED JUST SOMETHING

  • LIKE WEARING A BIKE HELMET WHEN I WAS RIDING A BIKE I

  • WAS IMPORTANT.

  • NOT JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD THINK LESS OF ME IF

  • THEY SAW ME WITHOUT ONE, BUT BECAUSE A KID MIGHT

  • SEE THAT EXAMPLE AND THINK THEY DIDN'T NEED TO BE

  • SAFE.

  • THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN

  • THE LAND.

  • AND I GET IT, IT'S A PAIN, IT'S NOT FUN TO WEAR A

  • MASK, AND THE HUGE SACRIFICES THAT PEOPLE

  • HAVE MADE WITH STUDENTS NOT BEING ABLE TO STUDY IN

  • SCHOOL, AND FAMILY GATHERINGS BEING CALLED

  • OFF, AND ALL OF THE THINGS ALL OF US PUT UP WITH.

  • BUT OUR BEST CHANCE TO END THIS IS TO GET THIS

  • PANDEMIC UNDER CONTROL.

  • I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAPPEN UNDER THIS

  • PRESIDENT.

  • >> James: I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

  • LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR NEW BOOK "TRUST: AMERICA'S

  • BEST CHANCE."