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  • CAN YOU BELIEVE IT.

  • HE IS SO NICE TO SEE YOU, AARON.

  • >> GREAT TO SEE YOU.

  • >> James: HOW ARE YOU HOLDING UP?

  • HOW HAVE YOU BEEN COPING WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON?

  • >> OH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAPPILY TRADE

  • THEIR STRUGGLES FOR MINE.

  • >> James: WELL YES, THERE IS LOTS OF BLESSINGS TO KOWBILITY

  • COUNT, FOR SURE.

  • BUT I'M CONNEDDERRING, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE, FOR MY MONEY

  • ONE OF THE GREATEST WRITERS ALIVE.

  • DURING ALL OF THIS TIME, DO YOU GET PEOPLE GOING WELL, THIS MUST

  • BE GREAT FOR YOU.

  • YOU CAN JUST WRITE ALL DAY AND YOU THINK YEAH, I DON'T FEEL

  • THAT CREATIVE RIGHT NOW SUR PIEINGLY-- SURPRISINGLY.

  • >> THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

  • I DON'T FEEL THAT CREATIVE RIGHT NOW.

  • I'M MORE FRIGHTENED THAN ANYTHING.

  • AND IT ST HARD WHEN YOU KNOW, SO MANY PEOPLE ARE REALLY

  • SUFFERING.

  • EITHER THEY'RE SICK OR THEY ARE UNEMPLOYED OR THEY ARE NOT IN

  • SCHOOL.

  • IT'S BAD OUT THERE.

  • SO IT'S NOT GOOD FOR ME.

  • >> OBVIOUSLY THE ELECTION IS COMING UP.

  • IT'S BEEN AN ABSOLUTE ROLLER COASTER.

  • EVERY DAY SOME CRAZY NEWS STORY, UNFORE SEEN.

  • WHAT'S BEEN THE MOST SHOCKING EVENT FOR YOU OUT OF THIS

  • ELECTION?

  • WHAT IS THE ONE THING THAT STANDS OUT OVER THESE PAST KNEW

  • MONTHS.

  • >> FIRST OF ALL, LET'S REMEMBER I HAVE BEEN ENGAGED POLITICALLY

  • IN FICTIONAL WORLDS, WHERE I GET TO DECIDE WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS

  • AND DOES.

  • BUT WITHOUT A DOUBT THE MOST SHOCKING THING HAS BEEN THE

  • PRESIDENT TELLING US OVER AND OVER THAT THERE WILL NOT BE A

  • PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER.

  • I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN GIVEN A HEADS UP, THAT MEN WITH BOX

  • CUTTERS AND BAD INTENTIONS ARE BOARDING PASSING TO PLANES.

  • THAT IS SOMETHING I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULDER WHAT.

  • I DON'T ANY ANY OF US DID.

  • >> James: BECAUSE I REMEMBER, HE ALLUDED TO IT WHEN HE WAS

  • RUNNING IN 2016.

  • THERE WAS A MOMENT IN 2016 WHERE HE SAID I WILL-- THE PROTEST IF

  • I WIN.

  • I REMEMBER WATCHING THAT THINKING THAT'S IT NOBODY CAN

  • TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY IN SUCH A WAY AND GO ON TO BECOME THE

  • PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

  • AND I MEAN HOW WRONG COULD I HAVE BEEN.

  • >> THAT'S RIGHT.

  • HE IS NOW THE PRESIDENT SAYING IS THAT UNLESS HE WINS IT'S BEEN

  • RIGGED.

  • THAT MAIL-IN BALLOTS ARE CORRUPT AND HE HAS PEOPLE BELIEVING IT.

  • AND IF-- THERE WAS A POLL RECENTLY, 23% OF AMERICANS

  • BELIEVE IN Q A NON, SO THERE-- Q-ANON, SO THERE IS A

  • HUGE POPULATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GULL I BELIEVE AND A THIRD

  • WHO HAVE THIS IDIOCY THAT TRUMP AND HIS ABLERS ARE TRYING TO

  • SELL.

  • >> DOES IT COME DOWN TO A RESPONSIBILITY IN THE MEDIA,

  • WHICH IS SOMETHING IN YOUR JOE I REALLY LOVED THE NEWSROOM, YOU

  • TOUCHED UPON QUITE A FEW TIMES.

  • THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MEDIA TO NOT BE ENTERTAINED.

  • TO JUST BE FACT DRIFEN.

  • HOW DO WE-- HOW IS THAT PROTECTIVE AND BRING IF IN A

  • WAY, WHAT YOU NEED SELF-REE NEWS CONVERSATION IN-- ORGANIZATION

  • IN AMERICA IF NOT THE WORLD TO GO WHOEVER ANNOUNCES THAT

  • SOMEONE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE WON.

  • WELL NOT EVERY VOTE HAS BEEN COUNTED AND WE WILL NOT RESPOND

  • TO THAT.

  • >> YEAH, THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU SAY THE MEDIA, WHO EXACTLY ARE

  • WE TALKING ABOUT NOW?

  • BECAUSE THERE IS ONE NETWORK, ONE NEWS NETWORK THAT HAS A LOT

  • OF VIEWERS THAT LIES TO ITS VIEWERS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

  • I THINK THAT FRANKLY I THINK THE EXCEPTION OF FOX, THE OTHER NEWS

  • NETWORK, AND NEWS OUTLET, NOT JUST TELEVISION, PRINT, ONLINE,

  • HAVE ACTUALLY IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB OF

  • COMING AROUND TO THE BELIEF THAT THIS ISN'T NORMAL A.

  • THAT WE SHOULD CALL A LIE A LIE.

  • FRANKLY I THANK GOD FOR THEM, THAT THIS HAS NEVER BECOME

  • NORMALIZED.

  • AND BY THE WAY THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DESERVE THANKS FOR, THAT FOR

  • NOT NORMALIZING THAT, YOU AND THE OTHER LATE NIGHT HOSTS.

  • >> James: I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT MOSTLY ME.

  • >> James: WHEN.

  • >> WHEN THE DAY COMES YOU DON'T OPEN YOUR SHOW WITH YOU CAN

  • BELIEVE WHAT IS GOING ON, THAT IS WHEN WE ALL CAN GET

  • FRIGHTENED.

  • >> James: I THINK A TAKE A THE LO OF CREDIT FOR THAT, I THINK

  • IT'S MOSTLY ME.

  • >> IT IS MOSTLY YOU.

  • >> James: IN MANY RESPECTS, IF I HADN'T BEEN HERE THE LAST FOUR

  • YEARS, I AM AFRAID TO THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.

  • BECAUSE I.

  • >> JOKE ALL YOU WANT, MY BRITISH FRIEND, BUT IT'S TRUE.

  • >> James: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE

  • THIS, IT MADE ME FEEL VERY OLD BUT WE ARE COMING UP TO THE TEN

  • YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE SOCIAL NETWORK BEING RELEASED.

  • WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT IL FILM, WHAT DO YOU THINK NOW WHEN YOU

  • SEE WHAT FACEBOOK HAS BECOME AND WHAT IT REPRESENTEDS TO SO MANY

  • PEOPLE.

  • >> YEAH.

  • LISTEN, I KNOW MORE ABOUT FACEBOOK IN 2005 THAN I DO ABOUT

  • IT IN 2020.

  • >> James: FOR SURE.

  • >> BUT BACK THEN I JUST FELTS THAT FACEBOOK AND OTHER SOCIAL

  • MEDIA WERE JUST KIND OF BAD FOR US SOCIALLY.

  • IT WASN'T A GOOD WAY TO SOCIALIZE WITH PEOPLE.

  • BUT NOW IT'S GROWN TO BE MUCH, MUCH WORSE THAN THAT.

  • ST A AMPLIFIER AND MULTIPLIER OF BAD INFORMATION, WHICH AGAIN, IT

  • WOULDN'T MATTER IF PEOPLE WEREN'T QUITE SO GULLIBLE.

  • AND AVAILABLE WITH THIS ABSURD INFORMATION.

  • IF PEOPLE TOOK THEIR NEWS DIELT MORE SERIOUSLY.

  • >> James: BUT ALSO IT IS THE ALGORITHM.

  • YOU COULD HAVE A SLIGHT INTEREST ARE O I SLIGHT THOUGHT AND THE

  • ALGORITHM WILL TAKE YOU FURTHER INTO WHATEVER IT IS YOU MIGHT BE

  • SORT OF INTERESTED IN.

  • SO IT SORT OF, IT BECOMES A THING WHERE LIKE NO LONGER, I

  • THINK BACK TO 2005 WHEN YOU WROTE THE FILM AND YOU SORT OF

  • THINK WELL, SORRY, WHEN FACE BOOK STARTED IT AND YOU STARTED

  • TO WRITE THE FILM AFTER THAT.

  • THE ARGUMENT WAS THAT WE ARE JUST A PLATFORM.

  • WE ARE JUST A FLAT FORM WHERE THINGS EXISTED.

  • THAT ARGUMENT DOESN'T HOLD UP TODAY.

  • >> NO, IT DOESN'T HOLD UP ANY MORE.

  • MAWB THAT WAS THE IDEA.

  • BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT IT HAS BECOME NOW.

  • AND WHAT IT HAS BECOME IS THAT THEY'RE GOING, FACEBOOK IS GOING

  • FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.

  • >> WE HAVE TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR BRILLIANT NEW FILM, THE

  • TRIAL OF THE CHICAGO SEVEN.

  • THIS SAY MOVIE YOU WROTE AND DIRECTED.

  • FOR ANYONE WHO HADN'T CAUGHT IT YET.

  • TELL US WHAT IT ABOUT.

  • >> SURE, IT SAY TRUE STORY.

  • IN 1968, THERE WAS AN ANTIWAR PROTEST OF THE DEMOCRATIC

  • NATIONAL CONVENTION IN CHICAGO.

  • IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PEACEFUL PROTEST BUT HE SOLVED INTO A

  • TERRIBLE CLASH BETWEEN POLICE AND NATIONAL GUARD.

  • SEVEN LEADERS OF THAT PROTEST, EIGHT ACTUALLY.

  • THERE ARE EIGHT NUMBER MEMBERS OF THE CHICAGO SEVEN, WERE PUT

  • ON TREUL AND CHARGED WITH CONSPIRACY TO CROSS STATE LINES

  • IN ORDER TO INSIGHT A RIOT.

  • IT IS A FEDERAL CRIME, IT COMES WITH TEN YEARS IN PRISON AND THE

  • TRIAL ITSELF ULTIMATELY BECAME ONE OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS TRIALS

  • IN HISTORY FROM-- THE DEFENDANTS WRE VERY COLORFUL, THE JUDGE

  • WAS CRAZY, AND SCM HORRIBLE THINGS HAPPENED IN THAT COURT

  • ROOM THAT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN ANY AMERICAN COURT.

  • >> James: THIS IS A STORY I KNOW YOU HAVE WANTED TO TELL FOR

  • QUITE SOME TIME DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, COULD YOU EVEN BEGIN TO

  • ANTICIPATE HOW RELEVANT THE FILM WOULD FEEL AT THIS MOMENT RIGHT

  • NOW?

  • >> NO, NEVER.

  • LOOK, IT STARTED 14 YOORS AGO WHEN STEPHEN SPIELBERG ASKED ME

  • TO COME OVER TO HIS HOUSE ON A SATURDAY MORNING.

  • SO IT IS VERY UNUSUAL.

  • I DON'T HANG OUT WITH STEVEN SPIELBERG.

  • HE TOLD ME THAT HE WANTED TO MAWK A MOVIE ABOUT THE CHICAGO

  • SEVEN AND CRAZY CONSPIRACY TRIAL THAT FOLD.

  • I SAID IT IS A GREAT IDEA.

  • COUNT ME IN AND A LEFT HIS HOUSE AND CALLED MY FATHER AND ASKED

  • TO DO THE CHICAGO SEVEN.

  • I HAD NO IDEA WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, STEVEN SPIELBERG

  • ACTED THE WAY ANYONE WOULD.

  • BUT AFTER DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH, THEN IT JUST BECAME A

  • REALLY GOOD STORY TO TELL.

  • THIS IS GOING TO BE A TERRIBLE MOVIE.

  • >> I FEEL LUKE YOU ARE-- YOUR ENTIRE KAER RADIO, YOU HAVE

  • REALLY HAD A NABBING AT OF BEING SLIGHTLY AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON

  • WHAT YOU THINK PEOPLE MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT OR CARE ABOUT.

  • EVEN WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, THE NEWSROOM, THE SOCIAL

  • NETWORK, AND NOW THIS, TO TAKE IT ON AS A DIRECTOR, BECAUSE IT

  • IS A VERY DIFFERENT FILM, WAS THAT DAWNTING, THE SCALE OF TRK