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♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY,
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WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW."
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MY FIRST GUEST TONIGHT IS THE WONDERFUL ACTOR, WRITER, AND
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PRODUCER BEHIND SHOWS LIKE "NEVER HAVE I EVER," "THE MINDY
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PROJECT," AND "THE OFFICE."
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PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW," MINDY KALING!
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MINDY, SO LOVELY TO SEE YOU!
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>> THANK YOU, IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU VIRTUALLY.
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>> Stephen: YEAH, I'LL TAKE IT ANY WAY I CAN.
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I SEE MOST PEOPLE VIRTUALLY THESE DAYS, OTHER THAN MY
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FAMILY.
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THAT'S ABOUT IT.
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HOW IS YOUR BUBBLE GOING?
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>> IS IT UNSYMPATHETIC TO SAY I HAVE BEEN HAVING A GREAT BUBBLE?
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>> Stephen: NO, NO.
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THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A BUBBLE IS ALL YOU NEED TO SAY.
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EVERYTHING WITHIN THE BUBBLE IS PERFECTLY FINE FOR THAT TO BE
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GOOD, AS LONG AS YOU ARE KEEPING A BUBBLE.
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>> MY HERMETICALLY SEALED BUBBLE HAS BEEN NICE, I HAVE TO ADMIT.
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>> Stephen: AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ACTUALLY GROWING
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BECAUSE I GOT SOMETHING I RARELY GET THESE DAYS WHICH IS SOME
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GOOD NEWS, WHICH, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SHARING WITH YOUR
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AUDIENCE, I THINK THEY WOULD BE THRILLED TO FIND OUT SOMETHING
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EXTRAORDINARY THAT NOBODY KNOWS UP UNTIL THIS MOMENT.
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>> YES, I'M -- IT'S -- I'M TELLING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME
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NOW, I FEEL SO STRANGE, BUT I GAVE BIRTH TO A BABY BOY ON
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SEPTEMBER 3rd.
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>> Stephen: NO ONE EVEN KNEW YOU WERE PREGNANT!
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>> I KNOW!
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I KNOW!
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THIS IS NEWS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
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IT'S TRUE.
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>> Stephen: WELL, CONGRATULATIONS.
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THAT'S WONDERFUL.
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>> THANK YOU.
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THANKS.
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>> Stephen: SO YOU SAID BABY BOY?
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DID YOU SAY BABY BOY?
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>> BABY BOY.
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>> Stephen: DO WE HAVE A NAME YET?
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>> YES, HIS NAME IS SPENCER.
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I FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF IT.
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>> Stephen: SPENCER KALING, LOVELY.
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HOW OLD IS YOUR DAUGHTER AT THIS POINT?
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>> SHE'S ALMOST THREE.
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>> Stephen: AND HOW IS SHE RECEIVING?
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BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER WAS TWO AND A HALF WHEN HER LITTLE BROTHER
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WAS BORN, AND AT A CERTAIN POINT, SHE SAID SEND HIM BACK.
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>> YES.
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>> Stephen: HOW IS SHE RECEIVING SPENCER?
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>> SHE WAS WERER AMBIVALENT AT FIRST, I WOULD SAY, TO BE
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GENEROUS.
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SHE WAS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT HER TOYS GETTING TAKEN.
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>> Stephen: THAT'S A REASONABLE FEAR.
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>> YEAH.
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AND, SO, IT HAPPENED AND I THINK, IN HER MIND, BECAUSE
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SHE'S ALMOST TWO AND A HALF, ALMOST THREE, SHE THOUGHT IT
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WOULD BE ANOTHER CHILD THAT WAS HER SAME SIZE.
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BUT THEN SHE -- YOU KNOW, SHE WAS DELIGHTED WHEN HE ARRIVED
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HOME WITH ME AT THE HOSPITAL AND HE WAS KIND OF A BLOB THAT
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COULDN'T TAKE HER TOYS.
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SO SHE'S A HUGE FAN NOW THAT SHE'S MET HIM.
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>> Stephen: HOW TID YOU KEEP THIS SECRET?
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PEOPLE CARE AND FOLLOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN MINDY KALING'S LIFE.
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HOW DID NO ONE KNOW THIS WAS COMING?
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>> WELL, NO ONE SAW ME.
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IT FELT WEIRD TO BE -- YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SO MUCH GOING ON AND
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SO MUCH HEARTBREAK IN THE WORLD THAT IT FELT STRANGE TO GO OUT
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OF MY WAY TO, YOU KNOW, SHINE A LIGHT ON SOME GIANT HEALTH
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INFORMATION, YOU KNOW.
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NO ONE REALLY SAW ME, EXCEPT ONE TIME I DID GO TO BUY MY DAUGHTER
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AND I GOT CAUGHT BI BY -- POPARA CAUGHT ME.
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AND I THOUGHT, THEY WILL KNOW BECAUSE I WAS EIGHT MONTHS
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PREGNANT.
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>> Stephen: IS THIS FROM "THE DAILY MAIL"?
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>> YES, SO THEY RAN THIS PHOTO OF ME AND I LOOK VERY PREGNANT,
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I WOULD SAY.
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>> Stephen: YEAH, THAT'S A PREGNANT PERSON.
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>> I THINK THIS IS WHAT'S FUNNY, THEY WERE TOO NERVOUS TO CLAIM
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THAT I WAS PREGNANT THAT IT WAS ALMOST MORE INSULTING.
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THEY WERE, LIKE, MINDY KALING JUST LOOKS LIKE THIS.
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>> Stephen: WHAT DID THEY SAY?
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DID THEY SAY, LIKE, MINDY KALING OUT ON THE TOWN?
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>> YEAH, THEY WERE, LIKE, OUT ON THE TOWN AT A KIDS' TOY STORE.
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I THINK THEY SAID I WAS BUYING TOYS FOR MY OLDER KID.
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BUT I WAS SO INSULTED.
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LIKE, IF YOU'RE NOT PREGNANT, YOU NEED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR IF
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YOU LOOK LIKE THAT.
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RIGHT?
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>> Stephen: I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP ON THAT TRAIN.
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THANK YOU FOR INVITE MEG ON IT, THOUGH.
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I THINK YOU'RE FANTASTIC.
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YOU LOOK FANTASTIC.
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>> I'M VERY DIPLOMATIC HERE.
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>> Stephen: DOES IT FEEL DIFFERENT TO HAVE A SON?
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OBVIOUSLY, HAVING A BABY WHEN YOU HAVEN'THEAD A BABY JUST
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CHANGES EVERYTHING, LIKE YOUR VIEW OF THE WORLD.
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BUT NOW, A, HAVING A SECOND CHILD AND HAVING A SON INSTEAD
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OF A DAUGHTER, IS THAT A DIFFERENT VIBE FOR YOU?
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>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW, STEPHEN.
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I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AND YOUR WIFE IF YOU FEEL THIS WAY
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BECAUSE YOU HAVE BOTH, BUT I THINK THAT SAYING MY SON FEELS
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VERY FORMAL.
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IT'S, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'VE SEEN SO MANY WAR MOVIES AND
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DOCUMENTARIES, BUT, I DON'T KNOW, SAYING, LIKE, MY DAUGHTER
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FEELS CONTEMPORARY AND OF THE MOMENT.
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BUT SAYING A SON FEELS SO OLD TIMEY.
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I FEEL LIKE IF MY DAUGHTER WERE TO COME HOME FROM SPRING BREAK,
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I WOULD BE, LIKE, MY DAUGHTER JUST CAME HOME FROM CANCUN.
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BUT I WOULD BE, LIKE, MY SON RETURNED FROM OVERSEAS...
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( LAUGHTER ) I DON'T KNOW, IT FEELS MORE
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NORMAL.
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>> Stephen: BEING A SON IT SEEMS PER FECKLY NATURAL TO ME,
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TO HEAR THE WORD SON.
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THIS IS ONE PLUS, IS THAT, WHEN THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OLDER AND
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YOU TALK TO THEM,ETH WEIRD TO SAY, NOW, DAUGHTER -- THAT'S
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WEIRD.
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BUT TO GO, LISTEN, SON -- THAT, THAT HAS GOT A REAL STAB TO IT.
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LISTEN, SON!
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IT'S GOT PUNCH.
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>> THAT'S GOOD.
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I LIKE THAT.
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>> Stephen: YOU'VE GOT AN ESSAY COLLECTION OUT NOW.
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WHAT'S THE NAME OF THIS ESSAY COLLECTION?
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>> "NOTHING LIKE I IMAGINED, EXCEPT FOR SOMETIMES."
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>> Stephen: EXCEPT FOR SOMETIMES.
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IN IT YOU WRITE THAT RAISING YOUR DAUGHTER MADE YOU MORE
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CONNECTED TO YOUR HINDU FAITH.
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WERE YOU RAISED WITH, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE CEREMONIES OF THE
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HINDU CALENDAR?
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>> NOT AT ALL, REALLY.
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I WAS BORN HERE AND I'M INDIAN AMERICAN AND MY PARENTS MET IN
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AFRICA, SO, LIKE, WE WEREN'T RAISED WITH -- AND THEY'RE FROM
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COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PARTS OF INDIA, SPEAK DIFFERENT
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LANGUAGES, AND, SO, WE WEREN'T REALLY RAISED WITH A LOT OF
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RELIGION.
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BUT WHAT I WRITE ABOUT IN MY BOOK IS I TALK ABOUT MY FAITH
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AND HOW MY MOTHER PASSED AWAY AND THAT ACTUALLY TRIGGERED ME
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THINKING ABOUT MY FAITH IN A NEW WAY, AND WHEN I HAD MY DAUGHTER,
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WE WENT THROUGH A HINDU CEREMONY WHEN YOU SHAVE YOUR CHILD'S HAIR
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WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF THEIR LIFE.
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>> Stephen: AND WHY DO YOU DO THAT?
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>> YOU DO THAT BECAUSE, FOR HINDUS, THE HAIR THAT YOU ARE
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BORN WITH BELONGS TO YOUR PAST LIFE.
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MY DAUGHTER HAD A LOT OF HAIR SO SHE HAD A LOT OF HER PAST LIFE
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WITH HER.
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THIS IS TRICKY.
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YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN HER FIRST YEAR OR WAIT TILL HER THIRD
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YEAR.
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SO I THOUGHT IF SHE'S THREE, IT WOULD BE MORE TRAUMATIZING FOR
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HER TO BE BALD.
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I DECIDED TO DO IT WHEN SHE WAS TEN MONTHS OLD.
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THE WAY SHE REACTED TO IT WAS LIKE IT WAS TEN TIMES WORSE THAN
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A CIRCUMCISION.
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>> Stephen: OH, MY GOSH.
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SO SHE DID NOT WANT TO LET GO TO HAVE THE PAST LIFE.
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>> SHE TID NOT WANT TO LET GO OF HER PAST LIFE.
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>> Stephen: SHE MUST HAVE HAD A REALLY GOOD RIDE LAST TIME
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AROUND.
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>> YEAH.
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>> Stephen: YOU HAD THIS CEREMONY, RIGHT?
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>> I HAD THE CEREMONY MYSELF.
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( LAUGHTER ) WAIT --
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>> Stephen: THAT'S A GOOD LOOK.
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THAT'S A GOOD LOOK.
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>> I THINK IT'S A BAD SIGN WHEN THE HOST LAUGHS AT A GUEST
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ESHOWING A PHOTO.
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>> Stephen: IT'S ADORABLE.
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THANK YOU FOR BEING ADORABLE.
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>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FEEL THIS WAY WHEN YOU GO THROUGH DOING
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CEREMONIES IN YOUR FAITH, BUT IT MADE ME FEEL ABOUT MY MOTHER
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BECAUSE SHE HAD DONE THAT TO ME.
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SO RAISING KIDS, I WAS TRIGGERED CONSTANTLY BY MEMORIES OF MY
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CHILDHOOD AND THAT MADE ME FEEL CONNECTED TO HER BECAUSE SHE
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FELT I SHOULD GET MY HAIRCUT AS A BABY.
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>> Stephen: I PERCEIVED MY OWN CHILDHOOD CEREMONIES WHEN MY
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CHILDREN WENT THROUGH THEM AND SAW THEM AS CULTURAL GIFTS,
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ALMOST LIKE LITTLE LOVE POEMS OF HOW LIFE CAN BE LIVED OR HOW WE
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CAN CONNECT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
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THEY ALL BECAME VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
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AND LET'S JUST SIT IN SILENCE HERE FOR A MOMENT AND JUST ENJOY
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THAT MOMENT OF CONNECTION THAT YOU AND I JUST HAD.
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DON'T RUIN IT.
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DON'T RUIN IT BY TALKING.
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( LAUGHTER ) B.J. NOVAK IS -- WE'RE BACK WITH
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OUR CONTINUING COVERAGE OF MINDY KALING.
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I WANT TO WARN OUR AFFILIATES.
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B.J. NOVAK IS GOD FATHER TO BOTH OF YOUR KIDS.
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TRADITIONALLY THE GODFATHER PLAYS A ROLE IN SPIRITUAL
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DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION OF THE CHILD.
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IS HE PITCHING IN FOR -- YOU KNOW, WAS HE AT THE MUNDIN?
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>> HE WAS AT THE MUNDIN BUT NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.
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IT WAS HARD BECAUSE THE CONCEPT OF A GOD FATHER IS A CHRISTIAN
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THING.
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>> Stephen: OH, YEAH.
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O HE'S JEWISH, MY KIDS ARE HINDU, AND, SO, MAYBE HE WAS NOT
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THE RIGHT PERSON TO PICK, ACTUALLY.
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( LAUGHTER ) >> Stephen: MINDY, LOVELY TO
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SEE YOU AGAIN.
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>> NICE TO SEE YOU, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
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THANKS FOR SHARING MY NEWS.
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>> Stephen: THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE NEWS.
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WE'RE HONORED TO INFORM THE WORLD HERE ON "THE LATE SHOW."
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HER ESSAY "NOTHING LIKE I IMAGINED, EXCEPT FOR SOMETIMES"
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IS AVAILABLE NOW ON AMAZON.
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MINDY KALING, EVERYBODY.
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WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH FORMER C.I.A. DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN.
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IT'S A NATURAL MATCH, YOU, JOHN BRENNAN, PERFECT!
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( LAUGHTER ) ♪