WELCOME BACK TO A "LATE SHOW," EVERYBODY.

MY NEXT GUEST HAS SPENT HIS CAREER IN NATIONAL SECURITY AND

SERVED AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE C.I.A. FROM 2013-2017.

HE HAS JUST WRITTEN A NEW MEMOIR: "UNDAUNTED: MY FIGHT

AGAINST AMERICA'S ENEMIES, AT HOME AND ABROAD."

PLEASE WELCOME TO "A LATE SHOW," DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN.

DIRECTOR, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS TO THE INVITATION.

LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION.

>> Stephen: AS AM I.

I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS REVEALED

TODAY.

YOU SPENT YOUR CAREER TRYING TO HELP MAKE THIS COUNTRY AND ITS

CITIZENS SAFE.

TODAY 13 MEN WERE CHARGED WITH PLANNING TO KIDNAP MICHIGAN

GOVERNOR GRETCHEN WHITMER AND PUT HER ON TRIAL FOR TREASON AND

ATTACK THE STATE CAPITOL TO OVERTHROW THE MICHIGAN

GOVERNMENT.

HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE EMERGENCE OF ANTI-GOVERNMENT

MILITIA?

WHEN YOU WERE THE C.I.A.

DIRECTOR, DID YOU HAVE ANY SENSE FROM THE INTELLIGENCE YOU SAW

THAT THIS WAS A GROWING PROBLEM IN THE UNITED STATES?

>> WELL, ABSOLUTELY.

EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T THE AREA OF C.I.A. FOLKS, -- FOCUS, I KNO

THE F.B.I. WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS,

THE ONE WHO TRY TO BLAME FOREIGN INFLUENCES AS WELL AS GOVERNMENT

OVERSIGHT FOR THEIR PROBLEMS.

THEY ARE HYPER NATIVISTS THAT ARE REACT TO WHAT THEY PERCEIVE

AS GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IN THEIR LIVES ANDETH QUITE

DISTURBING AND I THINK THE F.B.I. HAS THEIR HANDS FULL IN

TERMS OF DEALING WITH THEM.

>> Stephen: THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WILL SOMETIMES

RE-TWEET THESE NATIVIST ORGANIZATIONS OR PRAISE THEM.

IS THAT ITSELF A THREAT TO OUR SECURITY IS THIS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WHAT A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SAYS MATTERS AND IT

RESONATES FAR AND WIDE, AND DONALD TRUMP'S FAILURE TO

DENOUNCE THESE GROUPS IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS HAS JUST FUELED

THEIR RISE.

OF COURSE, YOU SEE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IN

THIS COUNTRY AND WHAT HAPPENED IN TERMS OF THE RISE OF NAZIISM

IN GERMANY IN WORLD WAR II, THE STRENGTHENING OF THE ARYAN

NATION AND TRYING TO AGAIN RID SOCIETY OF THESE INFLUENCES.

SO THESE ARE GROUPS THAT HAVE NO SENSE OF SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY

OR NO SENSE OF ALLEGIANCE TO ANYBODY OTHER THAN THEMSELVES,

AND THE ONE WHO ARE ALIGNED WITH THEIR VIEWS, INCLUDING DONALD

TRUMP.

>> Stephen: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY - FAIRLY BROAD QUESTION -- BUT

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ARE THE THREATS TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY

ON THE NEAR TERM, MIDDLE TERM AND FAR TERM?

>> I THINK THE NEAR TERM IS NO QUESTION THAT THE NEXT 100 DAYS

IS VERY UNSETTLED PERIOD AND A FRAUGHT PERIOD FOR THE UNITED

STATES.

WHAT DONALD TRUMP MIGHT DO IN TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION AND

HOW HE EXERCISES THE POWERS OF THE PRESIDENCY BEFORE AND AFTER

THE ELECTION, WHEN HE'S A LAME DUCK.

I'M QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HE MIGHT RESORT TO AND DO DURING

THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

>> Stephen: LIKE WHEN HE'S SAYING IN THE DEBATES, STAND

BACK AND STAND BY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AND HIS REFUSAL TO ACKNOWLEDGET THAT HE'S GOING TO ACCEPT THE

RESULTS OF THE ELECTION.

I THINK THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS TIME AND IT'S CLEAR THAT DONALD

TRUMP WILL RESORT TO ANY TACTIC.

I THINK HE HAS DEMONSTRATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN HE HAS NO RESPECT

FOR THE RULE OF LAW AND PRINCIPLES IN THIS COUNTRY AND

THE FACT THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE BOWING TO HIS EVERY WHIM

MAKES ME VERY CONCERNED.

IN THE MEANTIME, JOE BIDEN WILL HAVE HIS HANDS FULL WHEN HE'S

TAKING OVER IN JANUARY IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING THE CHALLENGES WE

FACE, COVID, THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, SOCIAL JUSTICE, THE

TENSIONS IN THIS COUNTRY, THE POLARIZATION TAKEN PLACE UNDER

DONALD TRUMP.

SO I THINK 2021 WILL BE A CHALLENGE FOR JOE BIDEN ON THE

DOMESTIC AS WELL AS THE INTERNATIONAL FRONT.

HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO REPAIR ALLIANCES AND PARTNERSHIPS THAT

HELPED TO STRENGTHEN OUR NATIONAL SECURITY OVER THE LAST

75 YEARS.

HE'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO SEND AN UNMISTAKABLE SIGNAL TO

ADVERSARIES THAT TRUMP IS GONE SO VLADIMIR PUTIN AND KIM JONG

UN AND OTHERS REALLY HAVE TO TAKE NOTE THAT JOE BIDEN IS A

DIFFERENT PRESIDENT THAN DONALD TRUMP.

OVER THE LONGER TERM, CLIMATE CHANGE.

YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT ON OUR WEATHER AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO,

YOU KNOW, LEAD TO THE RISE OF THE OCEANS AND THE ENCROACHMENT

ON COASTAL COMMUNITIES AND MIGRATION FLOWS AND HOW URBAN

CENTERS WILL BE OVERWHELMED, THE CYBER REALM, DIGITAL DOMAIN,

GENETIC ENGINEERING.

THERE WERE SO MANY LONGER-TERM ISSUES THAT WHILE WE WERE SO

OBSESSED WITH THESE POLITICAL PROBLEMS AT HOME, WE'RE NOT

TAKING THE TIME AND WE'RE NOT DEDICATING THE EFFORT AND THE

RESOURCES TO ADDRESS WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE THE

CHALLENGES FOR THE NEXT GENERATIONS OF AMERICANS.

>> Stephen: BECAUSE WHILE WE'RE ALL FIGHTING EACH OTHER

HERE, WE'RE NOT BEING AWARE OF THE WAVE THAT'S COMING OVER THE

HORIZON OF THESE OTHER CHALLENGES.

>> YEAH, WE'RE IGNORING IT AND WE'RE NOT DOING WHAT'S NECESSARY

BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO REVERSE CLIMATE CHANGE

OVERNIGHT.

THIS IS A CONCERTED EFFORT OVER THE LONG TERM THAT THE UNITED

STATES HAS TO BE THE LEADER WE ONCE WERE AND I THINK WE SOON BE

AFTER JOE BIDEN BECOMES PRESENT.

>> Stephen: BACK WITH MORE OF THE AUTHOR OF "UNDAUNTED,"

C.I.A. DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN.