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  • ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,

  • EVERYBODY.

  • LET'S SAY HELLO TO OUR FRIEND MR. JON BATISTE.

  • JON, CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS DAY?

  • >> Jon: WOW.

  • WE ARE REALLY SEEING AN UNPRECEDENTED TIME.

  • 2020 IS TAKING THE CAKE.

  • I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.

  • >> Stephen: JON, WILL YOU JOIN ME IN SAYING A PRAYER FOR THE

  • PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE FIRST LADY?

  • >> Jon: OH, ABSOLUTELY.

  • PRAY FOR THEIR HEALTH AND HOPE THEY OVERCOME THIS.

  • >> Stephen: RIGHT.

  • BECAUSE REGARDLESS HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT DONALD TRUMP-- AND I HAVE

  • NOT BEEN VAGUE ABOUT THAT-- IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE THE HUMANITY OF

  • THIS MOMENT AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR OUR COUNTRY FOR THE

  • PRESIDENT TO BE HEALTHY.

  • >> Jon: ABSOLUTELY.

  • SUFFERING IS THE GREAT EQUALIZER, AND THE RAMIFICATIONS

  • OF THIS ARE MAJOR SO WE PRAY FOR THE BEST.

  • >> Stephen: JON BATISTE, EVERYBODY.

  • THANK YOU, JON.

  • >> Jon: ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU, STEPHEN.

  • >> Stephen: MY FIRST GUEST TONIGHT IS A PROFESSOR OF

  • MEDICINE AT NEW YORK UNIVERSITY, A PHYSICIAN AT N.Y.U. LANGONE,

  • AND THE CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR CBS NEWS.

  • HERE TO BREAK DOWN THE LATEST NEWS OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE,

  • PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW," DR. JON LAPOOK.

  • DR. LaPOOK, THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

  • I KNOW HOW BUSY YOU MUST BE.

  • >> I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE, TEACHEN.

  • THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.

  • >> Stephen: WELL, IT IS-- IT IS TRULY TROUBLING TO SEE THE

  • PRESIDENT TAKEN OFF TO THE HOSPITAL.

  • >> WHAT A SOBERING MOMENT IN TIME, STEPHEN.

  • IT REALLY IS.

  • AND IT-- AND IT WAS UPSETTING TO SEE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

  • STATES WITH COVID-19, AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, I WAS IN

  • THE COVID WARDS IN APRIL AT N.Y.U. LANGONE, WHERE I'M A

  • PROFESSOR, AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE CAN THE FIRST WEEK, THEY

  • CAN BE QUITE STABLE, BUT THEN IN THAT SECOND WEEK, THEY CAN TAKE

  • A TURN FOR THE WORSE.

  • AND I SUSPECT THAT'S WHY THEY WANT HIM UNDER CLOSE OBSERVATION

  • AT THE MEDICAL CENTER THERE.

  • >> Stephen: WELL, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE HOPING FOR THE PRESIDENT

  • AND THE FIRST LADY TO FULLY RECOVER.

  • NOW THAT HE IS AT WALTER REED, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE

  • SEVERITY OF HIS CONDITION, IN ANYTHING?

  • >> YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, HE HAS

  • SOME MILD SYMPTOMS AND A LOW-GRADE FEVER.

  • WE DON'T KNOW WHAT A LOW-GRADE FEVER IS, EXACTLY.

  • >> Stephen: THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION.

  • WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO HAVE A LOW-GRADE FEVER?

  • >> YOU KNOW, RIGHT, WE KNOW FEVER, COUGH, THE DANGEROUS ONE

  • IS SHORTNESS OF BREATH.

  • BUT WE SAW HIM FOR A FEW SECONDS TALKING.

  • HE GAVE A TWEET, A VIDEO TWEET, AND HE LOOKED TO ME LIKE HE DID

  • NOT HAVE SHORTNESS OF BREATH, LIKE HE DID NOT HAVE LABORED

  • BREATHING AND HE WALKED UP THE STAIRTO THE HELICOPTER AND HE

  • GAVE THE BAN STERK THE RAIL, ABOUT THREE QUICK TAPS.

  • THAT WAS SORT OF A GOOD SIGN.

  • BUT, YOU KNOW, HE IS OVER 60-- RIGHT, HE'S 74, WHICH IS A RISK

  • FACTOR.

  • HE'S OBESE, TECHNICALLY, BY THE LAST NUMBERS WE HAVE.

  • AND IN THE UNITED STATES MORTALITY FROM COVID-19, PEOPLE

  • OVER THE AGE OF 65, IS 15%, 1, 5, PERCENT.

  • THE ODDS ARE STATISTICALLY THAT HE SHOULD GET BETTER, ESPECIALLY

  • HE'S UNDER SUCH CLOSE OBSERVATION AND CARE.

  • BUT THE ONE THING THAT'S PREDICTABLE ABOUT CORONAVIRUS IS

  • THAT IT'S UNPREDICTABLE.

  • >> Stephen: THE PRESIDENTA PHYSICIAN SAID HE RECEIVED

  • SOMETHING CALLED A POLYCLONAL ANTIBODY COCKTAIL TREATMENT.

  • WHAT IS THAT FOR THE LAY MAN?

  • >> I THINK THIS WAS A MISSTATEMENT.

  • IT'S MONCLONAL ANTIBODY.

  • AND YOU I TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT ANTIBODIES, IF SOMEBODY HAS AN

  • INFECTION THEY HAVE ALL OF THESE ANTIBODIES IN THEIR BLOOD

  • STREAM, AND THAT'S CALLED CONVALESCENT PLASMA.

  • IN THE THERE IS DIFFERENT ANTIBODIES THAT DON'T ATTACK

  • THAT WAY TO OTHER THINGS, OTHER ORGANISMS IN YOUR BODY.

  • THE MONCLANL ANTIBODY IS AN EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENT.

  • I SHOULD SAY THAT.

  • IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN TO BE SAFE.

  • IT IS A TECHNOLOGICAL TOUR DE FORCE IN THE LAB.

  • THEY MAKE ANTIBODIES DIRECTLY SOLELY TO THE CORONAVIRUS, THE

  • CROWN, IT JUST ATTACHES TO THAT PART OF THE CROWN WHICH IS

  • NECESSARY FOR THE VIRUS TO ATTACK YOU.

  • IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC TREATMENT.

  • THERE IS SOME PRELIMINARY DATA THAT IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S

  • SAFE.

  • IT MIGHT BE EFFECTIVE.

  • BUT, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HIS CONDITION TO KNOW WHAT

  • WAS THE RISK-BENEFIT DECISION THERE?

  • WHY DID THEY MAKE THAT DECISION?

  • WAS IT-- QUOTE, UNQUOTE-- AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.

  • IT'S AN EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENT.

  • WE DO NEED TO HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY, I THINK.

  • >> Stephen: WE HAVE SO LITTLE TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THE

  • PRESIDENT'S HEALTH IN GENERAL, DON'T WE?

  • WE KNOW HE WENT TO WALTER REED WAS IT 2018 OR EARLY '19?

  • >> YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR.

  • >> Stephen: LAST YEAR, WHO WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN A REALLY

  • GOOD ANSWER AS TO WHY THAT HAPPENED.

  • DO WE AT THIS MOMENT KNOW WHAT THE PRESIDENT'S COMORBIDITIES

  • MAY BE?

  • >> YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING FOR SURE.

  • AND THIS-- YOU KNOW, THIS BRINGS UP THE WHOLE POINT OF

  • TRANSPARENCY.

  • ONE OF THE VERY FIRST RULES OF PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS MANAGEMENT,

  • STEPHEN IS TO BE TRANSPARENT TO, JUST TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE

  • TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

  • AND PARADOXICALLY, IF YOU'RE HONEST WITH PEOPLE, IF YOU LEVEL

  • WITH THEM, AND THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE LEVELING WITH THEM, EVEN

  • IF THE NEWS IS WORRISOME, THE WHOLE PROCESS IS IN AND OF

  • ITSELF REASSURING.

  • SO YOU JUST GOT TO JUST TELL THE-- TELL IT AS IT IS.

  • PEOPLE ARE GROWN-UPS IN THE UNITED STATES-- WELL, A LOT OF

  • PEOPLE ARE.

  • ( LAUGHS ) ESPECIALLY THE GROWN-UPS.

  • BUT I THINK YOU GOTTA BE HONEST WITH PEOPLE AND JUST TELL THEM

  • THE FACT S.

  • >> Stephen: WELL, THE DEBATE ON TUESDAY WAS AT CASE WESTERN

  • AND CLEVELAND CLINIC.

  • AND THE CLEVELAND OFFICIALS SAY THAT THEY'RE PRESENTLY AWARE OF

  • 11 POSITIVE CASES RELATED TO THE SETUP AND PLANNING OF TUESDAY'S

  • DEBATE.

  • BIDEN, AND DR. BIDEN, JILL BIDEN, TESTED NEGATIVE TODAY.

  • ARE THEY IN THE CLEAR?

  • STLOO A CHANCE WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET?

  • >> I LOVE THAT QUESTION.

  • THE QUICK ANSWER IS THEY ARE NOT IN THE CLEAR YET.

  • WE DON'T KNOW YET.

  • AND REMEMBER LAST TIME WE SPENT ALL THAT TIME EXPLAINING THE

  • BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION IN THE PANDEMIC IN MY EXPERIENCE IS THE

  • 2- TO 14-DAY INCUBATION PERIOD AND IT'S VERY, VERY, VERY

  • RELEVANT RIGHT HERE.

  • LET'S GO OVER IT AGAIN.

  • IF I GET INFECTED TODAY-- INFECTED-- I CAN BE INFECTIOUS,

  • ABLE TO INFECT SOMEBODY ELSE ANYWHERE FROM 2-14 DAYS LATER.

  • THAT MEANS I COULD GET TESTED DAY THREE BE NEGATIVE, DAY FOUR,

  • BE NEGATIVE, ANYWHERE UP TO DAY 14, AND AT ANY MOMENT I COULD GO

  • FROM TESTING NEGATIVE TO TESTING POSITIVE AND THEN INFECTING

  • SOMEBODY ELSE, EVEN WITHOUT SYMPTOPS.

  • THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT ANYBODY IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH

  • ANYBODY WHO IS INFECTED THAT THEY GET TESTED TO SEE IF THEY

  • MAY BE SPREAD IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND THAT THEY GO INTO

  • QUARANTINE.

  • >> Stephen: SO THE QUARANTINE, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE PEOPLE

  • THAT HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT NOT ONLY WITH HOPE HICKS BUT THE

  • PRESIDENT LAST NEW DAYS-- MIKE PENCE, BILL BARR, ALEX AZAR,

  • KAYLEIGH McENANY.

  • SHOULD THEY BE IN QUARANTINE RIGHT NOW, REGARDLESS OF THEIR

  • TESTS?

  • >> YOU KNOW, IT DEPEND WHETHER THEY WERE FELT TO BE IN CLOSE

  • CONTACT, AND THAT'S UP FOR SORT OF A LITTLE BIT OF JUDGMENT

  • CALL.

  • SUPPOSEDLY IT MEANS WITHIN SEX FEET FOR 15 MINUTES.

  • THERE'S NO STRICT RULE ABOUT THAT.

  • BUT IF THEY WERE IN CLOSE CONTACT, THEN THEY REALLY SHOULD

  • BE TESTED TO SEE IF THEY-- THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE INFECTING

  • SOMEBODY ELSE, AND THEN THEY SHOULD GO INTO QUARANTINE.

  • THERE'S CONFUSION ABOUT THE TERMS.

  • IF YOU'RE INFECTED YOU GO INTO ISOLATION.

  • IF YOU ARE EXPOSED TO SOMEBODY WHO IS INFECTED, YOU GO INTO

  • QUARANTINE.

  • >> Stephen: OKAY, OKAY.

  • AS A DOCTOR, I'M SURE YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF PATIENT OVERS THE YEARS

  • WHO DO NOT TAKE YOUR INSTRUCTIONS.

  • >> A COUPLE.

  • >> Stephen: AND-- AND A LOT OF AMERICANS AREN'T TAKING MASKS OR

  • SOCIAL DISTANCING SERIOUSLY.

  • DO YOU THINK THAT THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEPOLITICIZE

  • THE TEACHING OVER HOW TO KEEP COVID FROM SPREADING HERE, TO