Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles PRESIDENT SEEMS TO WANT TO REJECT. EVERY EXPERT SAYS THEY'RE THE THINGS TO DO. >> OKAY. SO I GOT TWO POINTS ON THAT. THE FIRST IS THIS, THE TESTIMONY FROM THE FORMER GOVERNMENT DOCTOR WHO SAYS THAT HE LOST A KEY POST LAST MONTH AFTER OPPOSING THE PRESIDENT'S PUSH TO USE AN UNPROVEN DRUG TO TREAT CORONAVIRUS. RICK BRIGHT, WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE FEDERAL AGENCY, RON, THAT DEVELOPS VACCINES, TOLD HOUSE LAWMAKERS YESTERDAY, THERE WAS NO PLAN AT THE START OF THE OUTBREAK, AND THAT THERE IS STILL NO PLAN TODAY. LET'S TAKE A LISTEN. >> OUR WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY CLOSING. IF WE FAIL TO IMPROVE OUR RESPONSE NOW, BASED ON SCIENCE, I FEAR THE PANDEMIC WILL GET WORSE AND BE PROLONGED. THERE WILL BE LIKELY A RESURGENCE OF COVID-19 THIS FALL. IT'LL BE GREATLY COMPOUNDED BY THE CHALLENGES OF SEASONAL IN INFLUENZA INFLUENZA. WITHOUT BETTER PLANNING, 2020 COULD BE THE DARKEST WINTER IN MODERN HISTORY. FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE NEED TO BE TRUTHFUL WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AMERICANS DESERVE THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH MUST BE BASED ON SCIENCE. WE HAVE THE WORLD'S GREATEST SCIENTISTS. LET US LEAD. LET US SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR OF RETRIBUTION. OUR NATION WAS NOT AS PREPARED AS WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN. AS WE COULD HAVE BEEN. SOME SCIENTISTS RAISED EARLY WARNING SIGNALS THAT WERE OVERLOOKED. PAGES FROM OUR PANDEMIC PLAYBOOK WERE IGNORED BY SOME IN LEADERSHIP. I BELIEVE, WITH PROPER LEADERSHIP AND COLLABORATION ACROSS GOVERNMENT, WITH THE BEST SCIENCE LEADING THE WAY, WE CAN DEVISE A COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY. THE TIME IS RUNNING OUT BECAUSE THE VIRUS IS STILL SPREADING EVERYWHERE. PEOPLE ARE GETTING RESTLESS TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES. >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST FORE MONTHS OF THIS YEAR, WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE GOVERNMENT'S AND THE ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE AS A SUCCESS OR A FAILURE? >> I BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE DONE BETTER. I BELIEVE THERE ARE CRITICAL STEPS THAT WE DID NOT TAKE IN TIME. >> DO YOU BELIEVE, IF YOUR SUGGESTIONS WERE IMPLEMENTED, LIVES WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED, AND THE SEVERITY OF THE PANDEMIC MIGHT HAVE BEEN LESSENED? >> I BELIEVE LIVES WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED IF WE HAD PROPER MEDICAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT FOR OUR HEALTH CARE WORKERS, YES. >> SO PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T LISTENED TO? >> PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE APPROPRIATE PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT TO SAVE THEIR LIVES AND PROTECT THEM FROM GETTING INFECTED. >> THERE WAS A VISIT TO THE CDC ON MARCH 6th. AT THAT VISIT, THE ADMINISTRATION SAID, ANYONE WHO WANTS A TEST WILL GET A TEST. WAS THAT TRUE THEN? >> THERE STILL ARE NOT ENOUGH TESTS. >> SO EVEN THIS WEEK, AS WE'RE BEING TOLD, "ANYBODY WHO WANTS A TEST CAN HAVE A TEST," IS THAT TRUE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? >> NO. >> IT'S JUST PAINFUL. >> IT'S JUST PAINFUL. SECRETARY AZAR, RON, SAID EVERYTHING IN THE TESTIMONY HAD BEEN MET NOW, CALLING THEM BENCHMARKS. THE PRESIDENT CALLED HIM DISGRUNTLED. YOUR REACTION? >> I KNOW DR. BRIGHT A LITTLE BIT. I WORKED WITH HIM ON THE EBOLA RESPONSE. HE IS APOLITICAL. HE IS A PROFESSIONAL. HE CARES ONLY ABOUT THE SCIENCE AND ABOUT PROMOTING VACCINES AND OTHER THERAPEUTICS, OTHER DRUGS THAT COULD HELP FIGHT THIS DISEASE. YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION STILL HASN'T REALLY ANSWERED IS WHY WAS HE REMOVED FROM THIS POST? IF IT WASN'T FOR THE REASONS THAT DR. BRIGHT SAYS, WHICH IS THAT HE OPPOSED THE POLITICIZATION OF SCIENCE, OPPOSED THE WHITE HOUSE'S PLAN TO SHOVE HYDROXY DOWN PEOPLE'S THROATS, THOUGH IT WASN'T PROVEN, HE WASN'T LISTENED TO WHEN WARNING OF THE LACK OF PROTECTIVE GEAR. WHY WAS HE REMOVED? WE HAVEN'T HEARD A GOOD ANSWER ON THAT. HIS WARNINGS, WHETHER HE WAS REMOVED OR NOT, LOOK, HIS WARNINGS ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND SEEM OBVIOUS TO ALL PEOPLE. THE LAST POINT YOU SHOWED, HIM TALKING ABOUT THE FACT, THE PRESIDENT SAYING ON MARCH 6th, EVERYONE WHO WANTS A TEST CAN GET A TEST, WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE IN ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, ALL SECTORS, SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO BE TESTED, CAN'T GET TESTED. THEY NEED TO BE TESTED AND CAN'T GET TESTED. I THINK THAT PART OF THE TESTIMONY SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. >> SO, RON -- >> RON, ALSO, RICK BRIGHT -- OH, SORRY. GO AHEAD, MIKA. >> GO AHEAD, WILLIE. YOU TAKE IT. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, HE ALSO POURED SOME COLD WATER ON SOME OF THE OPTIMISM AROUND A VACCINE. THE PRESIDENT IS TALKING ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING BY THE END OF THE YEAR. OTHER DOCTORS ARE SAYING, MAYBE THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR. HE SAID THE 12 TO 18 MONTH WINDOW MAY BE TOO OPTIMISTIC. HE ALSO ADDED, THE WINDOW IS CLOSING TO ADDRESS THIS PANDEMIC. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT, THAT THE WINDOW IS CLOSING TO ADDRESS THE PANDEMIC?