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  • ♪ >> STEPHEN: WELCOME BACK.

  • MY GUESTS TONIGHT HOST ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR PODCASTS IN THE

  • COUNTRY.

  • FROM "POD SAVE AMERICA," PLEASE WELCOME JON FAVREAU, JON LOVETT,

  • AND TOMMY VIETOR!

  • >> HI.

  • WHOO!

  • HEY STEPHEN.

  • >> Stephen: ONE IMAGINES THE CROWD IS GOING WILD.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) LET'S GET TO THE HEAT OF THE

  • BIDEN IS THE NOMINEE, BERNIE IS OUT.

  • DOES THIS CHANGE ANYTHING, BERNIE'S ANNOUNCEMENT?

  • >> I MEAN, I THINK WE ALWAYS KNEW IT WAS GOING TO END UP LIKE

  • THIS, AT LEAST SINCE BIDEN DID SO WELL ON SUPER TUESDAY AND

  • THEN THE PRIMARIES RIGHT AFTER THAT.

  • BUT NOW WE HAVE A NOMINEE, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS

  • REMEMBER THAT BARACK OBAMA WOULD ALWAYS SAY THAT ONE OF THE BEST

  • DECISIONS HE MADE AS PRESIDENT IS TO MAKE JOE BIDEN HIS

  • VICE PRESIDENT AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD OUR SHARE OF CRITICISMS FOR

  • BIDEN DURING THE PRIMARY, BUT HE IS KIND AND EMPATHETIC AND HE IS

  • EXPERIENCED, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JOE BIDEN OR DONALD TRUMP.

  • THOSE ARE THE CHOICES NOW.

  • PRETTY EASY ONE FOR ME.

  • >> Stephen: OKAY.

  • YOU GUYS -- YOU GUYS, OBVIOUSLY, FOR THE PEOPLE THERE WHO DON'T

  • KNOW, WE'RE OBAMA GUYS.

  • AND JOE LIKES TO REMIND EVERYBODY HE WAS OBAMA'S

  • VICE PRESIDENT.

  • YEAH, IT'Sçó JOE OR DONALD TRUMP VHAT'S AN EASY CHOICE, BUT WHAT

  • IS YOUR LEVEL OF ENTHUSIASM FOR JOE BIDEN RIGHT NOW ON A SCALE

  • OF 1 TO 10?

  • >> ELEVEN.

  • >> Stephen: ELEVEN.

  • JOE BIDEN IS A KIND, DECENT, EMPATHETIC HUMAN BEING WHO CARES

  • ABOUT PEOPLE AROUND HIM AND IN THIS COUNTRY.

  • HE'S ALSO AN INCREDIBLY COMPETENT LEADER WHO IN ADDITION

  • TO MANY DUTIES HE DID OVER EIGHT YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE HELPED

  • LEAD THE RESPONSE TO THE EBOLA CRISIS IN 2014 AND HAPPENS TO

  • EMPLOY THE BERN WHO WAS THE EBOLA CZAR AT THAT TIME.

  • NOT ONLY IS HE A GREAT VICE PRESIDENT, HE HAS DIRECT

  • EXPERTISE IN HANDLING A PANDEMIC RESPONSE LIKE WE'RE DOLING WITH

  • RIGHT NOW.

  • SO IN MANY WAYS WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE JOE BIDEN AT THE TOP OF

  • THIS TICKET.

  • >> Stephen: OKAY, BERNIE GOT A LOT OF CRITICISM FOR NOT

  • SUFFICIENTLY BEING ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON IN 2016.

  • WHAT DOES BIDEN NEED TO DO TO COURT THE BERNIE VOTERS, AND

  • WHAT'S BERNIE'S RESPONSIBILITY HERE?

  • WHAT DOES HE NEED TO DO TO CONVINCE PEOPLE WHO WERE

  • ESSENTIALLY NEVER BIDENS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO DO THE RIGHT

  • THING?

  • >> BIDEN PUT OUT A STATEMENT AFTER BERNIE DROPPED OUT AND HE

  • IS SAYING THE RIGHT THING.

  • I THINK IT'S ABOUT DEMONSTRATING TO THE BERNIE SUPPORTERS THAT

  • BIDEN DOESN'T TAKE THEM FOR GRAND AND HE'S GOING TO LISTEN

  • TO THEM AND HEAR THEM WHEN THEY SAY THEY BELIEVE THE COUNTRY IS

  • IN CRISIS AND TRADITIONAL POLITICS HASN'T BEEN THE ANSWER

  • FOR THEM.

  • I THINK BIDEN HAS TO STRIKE THIS BALANCE BECAUSE A LOT OF

  • I'MPEOPLE OUT THERE WANT POLITICS TO GO BACK TO NORMAL,

  • WHERE EVERY DAY IS NOT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT, WHERE HE'S NOT A LIAR

  • AND A LOT OF CHAOS.

  • BUT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE -- >> Stephen: NORMAL GAVE US

  • DONALD TRUMP.

  • >> RIGHT BEFORE DONALD TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT, THERE WAS A

  • COUNTRY POISED TO ELECT SOMEBODY AS DANGEROUS, UNQUALIFIED AND

  • UNFIT AS DONALD TRUMP, AND, SO, ANSWERING THAT SYSTEMIC

  • UNDERGIRDING SENSE OF INSECURITY, SENSE OF CRISIS, I

  • THINK, IS WHAT BIDEN'S JOB IS.

  • IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT LIP SERVICE, IT'S ABOUT LISTENING TO BERNIE

  • AND BERNIE'S SUPPORTERS.

  • >> Stephen: I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT BERNIE DID CREATE A

  • MOVE THE AND HE IS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE A TRANSFORMATIVE

  • POLITICAL FIGURE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 1st CENTURY.

  • WITH ALL OF THE JUICE HE'S GOT WITH HIS BASE, WHAT DOES HE HAVE

  • TO DO TO SAY TO THEM TO MAKE SURE HE THEY'RE ALL BEHIND

  • BIDEN?

  • >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK HE'S HANDLED THIS VERY RESPONSIBLY SO

  • FAR.

  • HE GOT OUT NOW, HE DIDN'T WAIT UNTIL THE CONVENTION, WHICH, YOU

  • KNOW, GIVES JOE BIDEN MORE TIME TO GET HIS CAMPAIGN READY FOR

  • THE GENERAL.

  • BUT I THINK, IF YOU'RE BERNIE, YOU'RE TELLING YOUR SUPPORTERS,

  • LOOK, THIS WAS NEVER -- HIS SLOGAN WAS NOT ME-US.

  • THIS WAS NEVER ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS, THIS ISN'T ABOUT JOE

  • BIDEN, THIS ISN'T ABOUT ANYONE POLITICIAN.

  • BERNIE FOUGHT FOR A SET OF IDEALS FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND

  • THE BEST WAY TO REALIZE HIS IDEALS IS BY DOING EVERYTHING

  • THAT HE CAN AND HIS SUPPORTERS CAN TO GET DONALD TRUMP OUT OF

  • OFFICE AND TO ELECT JOE BIDEN, AND THEN ONCE JOE BIDEN IS IN

  • THE WHITE HOUSE, IF JOE BIDEN IS NOT GOING TO LISTEN, THEN BERNIE

  • SANDERS AND HIS SUPPORTERS CAN KEEP PUSHING JOE BIDEN AS HARD

  • AS THEY CAN.

  • BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING THESE

  • IDEALS REALIZED WITH BIDEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE THAN WITH TRUMP,

  • SO THAT'S WHY THEY NEED TO GO ALL OUT.

  • >> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HIM SAYING, WHILE HE'S NOT

  • GOING TO CAMPAIGN ANYMORE, HE'S STILL GOING TO NEED TO GATHER

  • DELEGATES AND WITH ON THE BALLOT.

  • >> HE WANTS THE DELEGATES SO HE CAN GET THE PLATFORM TO LOOK

  • LIKE THE VISION HE HAS.

  • IT'S ABOUT POWER AND POLITICS.

  • BERNIE SANDERS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT.

  • THAT'S GOING TO BE INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTING FOR A LOT OF

  • PEOPLE, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT HE'S SAYING TO ALL THE

  • PEOPLE OUT THERE WATCHING THIS UNFOLD THAT HE'S STILL IN THE

  • FIGHT, HE'S SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT HE'S FIGHTING FOR, THAT HE'S

  • STRIKING A BALANCE BETWEEN GETTING OUT TO MAKE SURE JOE

  • BIDEN IS PRESIDENT, WHILE SIGNALING TO ALL THE PEOPLE

  • BEHIND HIM THAT THIS WORK IS GOING TO CONTINUE AND THEY'RE

  • GOING TO HAVE A BIG IMPACT AT THE CONVENTION AND THEY CAN THEN

  • BECOME JOE BIDEN'S BIGGEST HEADACHE ONCE JOE BIDEN IS

  • PRESIDENT.

  • >> Stephen: WE WENT FROM VERY FEW WHITE HOUSE PRESS BRIEFINGS

  • TO WATCHING TWO HOURS OF THE TRUMP SHOW EVERY DAY AT 5:00, I

  • GUESS.

  • I HAVE TO ADMIT, I HAVE NOT WATCHED A LOT OF IT BECAUSE IT

  • DOESN'T SEEM THAT INFORMATIVE AND IT'S JUST GENERALLY

  • ENRAGING.

  • WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT?

  • HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING?

  • >> YOU ARE CORRECT, STEPHEN, NOT VERY INFORMATIVE AND ENRAGING,

  • THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE.

  • I'VE SADLY BEEN WATCHING EVERY DAY BECAUSE I'M A MASOCHIST.

  • I THINK HE GETS UP THERE, HE LIES A LOT, HE CONTRADICTS THE

  • MEDICAL EXPERTS WHO ARE THERE WITH HIM, WHO HE SHOULD BE

  • ALLOWING TO SPEAK AND SORT OF TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS STUFF.

  • HE AT SOME POINT REALIZED SINCE HE CAN'T DO CAMPAIGN RALLIES, HE

  • CAN STILL COMMAND A HUGE AUDIENCE WITH THESE BRIEFINGS,

  • SO HE TURNED THEM INTO ESSENTIALLY CAMPAIGN RALLIES.

  • HE'S ATTACKING SLEEPY JOE BIDEN UP THERE, THE DEMOCRATS, HE'S

  • SAYING AT LOT OF THE STUFF HE WOULD SAY IF HE WAS AT A

  • CAMPAIGN RALLY.

  • >> Stephen: ATTA ATTACKING THE PRESS FOR ASKING QUESTIONS AT A

  • PRESS BRIEFING.

  • >> RIGHT, HE ATTACKS THE PRESS ALL THE TIME.

  • >> HE ALSO PRESCRIBES MEDICINE.

  • SO HE HAS THAT ROLE TO PLAY.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) >> IT'S NOT VERY INFORMATIVE

  • AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IS CONVINCE THE AMERICAN

  • PEOPLE EVERY DAY THAT THINGS ARE FINE AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY,

  • THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE GIVING PEOPLE OPTIMISM BUT THEY

  • SHOULDN'T BE GIVING PEOPLE FALSE HOPE, AND I THINK THE DANGER IS

  • THAT THERE ARE SO MANY MIXED MESSAGES COMING FROM THOSE VERY

  • THINGS -- WEAR MASKS BUT I'M NOT GOING TO WEAR A MASK, AND THIS

  • IS GOING TO BE THE WORST WEEK FOR THE UNITED STATES IN HISTORY

  • BUT ALSO THERE'S A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.

  • HE CONTINUES TO OFFER THESE MIXED MESSAGES AND

  • MISINFORMATION IN THE MIDDLE OF A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS AND I

  • THINK, UNBALANCED, THESE BRIEFINGS ARE DOING MORE HARM

  • THAN GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY.

  • >> Stephen: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 15 PRIMARIES DELAYED IN

  • APRIL, OR THE ONE THAT WASN'T, WISCONSIN.

  • DESPITE THE FACT THAT GOVERNOR EVERS WANTED IT DELAYED TILL

  • JUNE, FOR SOME REASON THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T WANT TO GO

  • EXTENDED MAIL-IN BALLOTS, DIDN'T WANT TO POSTPONE IT.

  • WHAT DO YOU THINK -- WHAT IS THAT HARBINGE FOR OUR DEMOCRACY

  • AND THE REST OF THE PRIMARIES SUCH AS THEY ARE AND THE

  • ELECTION IN THE FALL.

  • TOM.

  • NO, JON, NO, JON!

  • HEY, FIGHT!

  • >> I GOT IT.

  • THINK PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO TUESDAY

  • WHERE THE REPUBLICAN G.O.P.

  • FORCED AN ELECTION THAT WAS NOT SAFE.

  • THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN WISCONSIN SPENT A DECADE

  • CREATING LAWS TO MARK IT HARDER TO VOTE AND GERRYMANDERING THE

  • STATE LEGISLATURE AND THE REPUBLICAN GERRYMANDERED

  • LEGISLATURE FORCED THE VOTE BECAUSE THEY WANT A SUPREME

  • COURT JUDGE TO WIN AND THEY CAN PURPLE 2,000 PEOPLE FROM THE

  • WISCONSIN VOTER ROLLS IN 2020.

  • SO USING VOTER I.D. LAWS AND OTHER SUPPRESSION TACTICS TO

  • MAKE SURE A PARTY SHRIMPING IN TERMS OF ITS TOTAL VOTER BASE TO

  • CONTINUE TO WIN ELECTIONS AND WHY DEMOCRATS NEED TO FIGHT HARD

  • TO MAKE IT EASIER TO VOTE IN THIS COUNTRY.

  • >> WHAT WE SAW IN WISCONSIN SHOULD BE A REALLY CHILLING

  • WAKEUP CALL FOR WHAT THE ELECTION COULD LOOK LIKE IN

  • NOVEMBER.

  • THIS IS DANGEROUS, IT IS STEALING MEDICAL SUPPLIES FROM

  • DOCTORS WHO NEED THEM SO CO-WORKERS CAN WEAR THEM FOR AN

  • ELECTION THAT SHOULDN'T TAKE PLACE THE WAY IT DID.

  • THE TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT HAPPENED IN WISCONSIN IS EVERYONE NEEDS

  • TO MAKE SURE AND URGE THEIR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN TO PUT

  • ELECTION INTEGRITY IN ANY RELIEF BILL THAT COMES NEXT BECAUSE WE

  • HAVE A MASSIVE HEALTH CRISIS, WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC CRISIS, AND WE

  • HAVE A DEMOCRATIC CRISIS, AND THEY ARE HAPPENING ALL AT ONCE,

  • AND THE MOST IMPORTANT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN YOUR

  • LIFETIME MAY BE FOUGHT UNDER THESE CONDITIONS, AND IF WE WAKE

  • UP ON WEDNESDAY AFTER ELECTION DAY IN AN ELECTION IN WHICH A

  • LOT OF PEOPLE FELT IT WAS UNSAFE TO VOTED, IT WILL BE AN

  • INCREDIBLY DESTRUCTIVE OUTCOME FOR THIS COUNTRY.

  • >> Stephen: WELL, GUYS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME.

  • STAY SAFE.

  • >> YOU, TOO.

  • >> Stephen: PET THAT DOG THAT JUST CAME INTO THE FRAME.

  • STAY STERILE, WASH YOUR HANDS.

  • MY DOG'S NOT HERE.

  • HE'LL BE SO JEALOUS.

  • >> MINE, TOO.

  • >> Stephen: THANKS AGAIN.

  • THEIR PODCAST IS "POD SAVE AMERICA."

  • WITH JON FAVREAU, JON LOVETT, AND TOMMY VIETOR.

♪ >> STEPHEN: WELCOME BACK.

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