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  • JUDY WOODRUFF: The growth in student debt for students now in college has finally started

  • slowing down.

  • But, for many, the burden remains high, since debt had been soaring for over two decades.

  • Roughly two in three seniors who graduate from public and private nonprofit colleges

  • had an average debt of more than $28,000 in 2017.

  • That compares with about $13,000 in 1996.

  • The challenges of all that debt were cast back into the national conversation this week

  • by a surprising announcement.

  • It's all part of our special series Rethinking College.

  • And Amna Nawaz is here with more.

  • Hi.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Hey, Judy.

  • You remember that billionaire investor and philanthropist Robert F. Smith.

  • He stunned the graduating class of Morehouse College during his commencement address on

  • Sunday.

  • He promised to eliminate the student debt of all 396 members of the class of 2019.

  • But his generous pledge also highlighted the distinct wealth gap for recent African-American

  • graduates.

  • They carry nearly $7,500 more debt than their white counterparts.

  • Smith, who is the wealthiest African-American in the U.S., said he intended his gift to

  • help, but also to inspire.

  • ROBERT F. SMITH, Philanthropist: We're going to put a little fuel in your bus.

  • Now, I have got the alumni over there.

  • And this is a challenge to you, alumni.

  • This is my class, 2019.

  • (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

  • ROBERT F. SMITH: And my family is making a grant to eliminate their student loans.

  • (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

  • AMNA NAWAZ: For a deeper look at that Morehouse gift and some of the broader questions it

  • raises, I'm joined by Mehrsa Baradaran.

  • She's professor at the University of Georgia School of Law and author of "The Color of

  • Money: Black Banks and the Racial Wealth Gap."

  • And Scott Jaschik, the editor of Inside Higher Ed.

  • Welcome to you both.

  • Mehrsa Baradaran, to you first.

  • Big picture for the average student, what is the impact of a gift like this?

  • What does it change for them?

  • MEHRSA BARADARAN, University of Georgia School of Law: This is not just this -- you know,

  • their lives, but this will have intergenerational effects.

  • I mean, this will change their entire trajectory.

  • Maybe they can go get a mortgage now.

  • Maybe they can, you know, start their lives, have children.

  • That psychological debt load that they have been carrying can be wiped out.

  • And so they can then push their children out into the world.

  • So, for this group of, you know, 400 Morehouse graduates who got their debt wiped out, I

  • mean, they won the life lottery.

  • And it really is -- does show how effective that, you know, student debt is in sort of,

  • you know, determining your life outcomes.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: The life lottery this one class has won, it's significant not just because

  • of the way that Smith made the gift, but also the fact that it's at Morehouse.

  • Right?

  • It's an HBCU.

  • It's a historically black college.

  • Talk to me a little bit about the debt for these students, as compared to the larger

  • student debt landscape.

  • SCOTT JASCHIK, Inside Higher Education: Sure.

  • So, debt is a struggle for many graduates of all races and ethnicities.

  • But the reality is, a black student is less likely than a white student to have had a

  • family that could contribute a lot of money to education.

  • Now, my parents paid for my sisters and I to go to expensive private colleges.

  • Many black families love their children just as much, but they don't have the kind of money

  • to set aside to do that.

  • On average, there are -- about 30 percent of black students graduate with $100,000 in

  • debt.

  • That's three times the level of a white student.

  • These are very large numbers, and they influence what they can do.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: So, a gift like this is really going to make a difference.

  • But, Mehrsa, we heard there Robert Smith challenge other alumni to do something similar, right?

  • It's a massive difference for these 400 students.

  • But is this way of giving sustainable?

  • Is this the answer?

  • MEHRSA BARADARAN: No.

  • I mean, I think we commend Robert Smith.

  • It's wonderful.

  • It's so generous of a billionaire to give so generously of his wealth.

  • But there just aren't enough billionaires to deal with this problem.

  • I mean, we're talking about two-thirds of white students, 80-something percent of black

  • students.

  • This is a lot of debt.

  • This is a structural problem.

  • It's a whole generation.

  • And there aren't enough billionaires who are committed, capable and willing to do it.

  • And, also, we shouldn't -- democracy shouldn't rely on the charity and the generosity of

  • a few people to really solve systemic problems.

  • So, we really, I think, do need to look at this as a social problem.

  • It's not just the debt.

  • It is all of the effects psychologically, again, of life outcomes.

  • It is a servicing of the debt.

  • It is what they can and can't do going forward.

  • And so I think it's really time to look forward to policy changes that will help these students,

  • this whole generation to deal with that debt.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Speaking of policies, I want to mention some of the students who were not

  • affected by this.

  • This gift, we should point out, only applies to the 396 students who graduated, many of

  • whom were tweeting their thanks and celebrating online.

  • But there was one account I wanted to share.

  • It was by a student named Jordan Long, who's 22 years old.

  • He was featured in The New York Times.

  • He tweeted after learning about that gift.

  • And he tweeted this: "I left Morehouse class of 2019 to avoid debt.

  • And this billionaire just paid the graduating class' debt off.

  • Kill me," he wrote.

  • Clearly, a lot of regret there.

  • But, Scott, it gets to the larger structural issue, which is that there were students who

  • knew there was going to be a lot of debt.

  • That debt was crippling and didn't even allow them to graduate in the first place.

  • SCOTT JASCHIK: Right.

  • And you have to remember, next year's class, their debt isn't paid for.

  • Last year's isn't paid for.

  • You have to look at policy questions.

  • The value of the Pell Grant, the largest federal effort to help low-income students, is not

  • keeping up with the cost of college.

  • State support for higher education is going up in some states, not in others.

  • Programs that help low-income students get ahead are not adequately supported.

  • That's why you see all the talk about free college.

  • Many people feel the system right now just is not working.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Mehrsa, we want to mention -- of course, we don't want to undersell this incredible

  • gift, the generosity behind what Robert Smith did here.

  • But I will go back to what you said earlier in the conversation, which is that this will

  • change their lives and the lives of many people these students may come into contact with.

  • At the same time, this is not just about student debt.

  • This is about larger inequalities in our society right now.

  • Put that into context for me.

  • What do we need to do?

  • MEHRSA BARADARAN: Yes.

  • So white families have something like 12 times the wealth of black families.

  • And this is a result of past generations, so, your father and your grandfather getting

  • an FHA mortgage or a G.I.

  • Bill, and having those costs and their debts reduced by public programs.

  • So they were able to get good jobs.

  • They were able to build wealth.

  • And then they were able to help you out, so give you a place to stay, provide that buffer.

  • And so a lot of black families don't have that.

  • And due to the effects of segregation, they're also part of a social system that is low wealth.

  • So they can't reach out to aunts and uncles and grandfathers and grandmothers to get that

  • help either.

  • In fact, a lot low-income students, especially black and brown students, end up helping families

  • while they're in college, OK?

  • So in the white wealthy world or the middle class, that help comes down, right?

  • So parents help their kids.

  • But a lot of times, in low-income communities of color, the kids are helping the parents

  • just as much.

  • And so this really allows for this generation to help out.

  • And you're right.

  • I mean, this is -- we shouldn't diminish the absolute generosity of this gift.

  • It was really quite stunning.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Stunning, indeed.

  • A lot of people are still talking about it.

  • Thank you to you both, Mehrsa Baradaran and Scott Jaschik, for being here today.

  • SCOTT JASCHIK: Thank you.

  • MEHRSA BARADARAN: Thank you.

JUDY WOODRUFF: The growth in student debt for students now in college has finally started

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