Name: Patreon: Problem & Solution: Dave Rubin & Dr Jordan B Peterson
Uploaded: 2020-03-28T16:25:51.000Z
Duration: 10 min 27 s
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Well, Dave and I are here today to talk about Patriot.

We've been engaged in lengthy series of email exchanges with all of the people in our network, and no one is happy at all with what's been happening.

And so we've bean determining what our options are, and we looked at Subscribe Star.

But it looks like PayPal decided to cut funding out from them.

And so it doesn't look like moving to an alternative provider on alternative commercial provider that's out of our bailiwick out of our control is gonna be viable.

You described what we talked about today?

Yeah, well, first, I think we should just make it very clear for everybody.

How significant what happened to Carl Benjamin Sargon of a cod is it doesn't matter what you think of him or whether you agree with Pamela or any of that stuff.

The banning of him for doing something that was not on the patri on platform, that wasn't even done on his channel because of a word he said, where he was using the word against the the altar, right, or the neo Nazis or whatever you wanna call them is a massive move of that line of what's acceptable now.

There's all sorts of debates we can have, and we've had them of what lines should be if there should be lines at all.

But the fact that this guy got booted with no chance of recourse, with no warning, just just like that, it's just an extension of everything else that we've all been talking also, and also given that it's also the case that he didn't break patrons rules of engagement, the ones that they stated and that continent had talked to you about fact that that wasn't going to happen.

And that patron hasn't responded well to this.

Well, look, look, he Jack Conte came into my studio in my home and said he he said a phrase that I had never heard before.

Maybe you had heard it before manifest observable behavior.

So you had never even heard that phrase before, right?

I thought I thought maybe this was just something that went past me.

Okay, now, of course, manifest observable behavior.

There's a real There's really only there, but But so the point was that it had to be about behavior, and then in their terms of service, it also had to be about what was happening on platform.

So at every firewall here of what would have been acceptable, Patri on failed, and they've put us in a position where Look, I told I called you last Saturday, and when this was really catching fire and I said, you know, Patriot is about 65 to 70% of my rib.

That's I have a company now with employees, you know, full timers, part timers.

I was actually considering deleting it right then and there is no one in their right mind would do.

You know, before I was on patri on we were at or a TV I me and my producer and my director, We all quit our jobs, lost our health insurance, all of it to join patriots.

But then I realized all right, well, we have to figure out a plan.

And that's exactly why we're doing this, right?

Yeah, well, and we would have moved faster, but we well, and I did set up a subscribe star account, although I never quite finished setting it out, partly because Subscribe Star seemed to fall apart almost immediately under attack.

And also, it wasn't obvious that I also read their terms of agreement, and it wasn't obvious that we weren't gonna be just in exactly the same situation again.

There's only so many mistakes you could make before the mistakes start to become fatal.

So we have wanted to come up with a serious and stable solution, and I've been working on for months, literally.

I've been working on a system to allow authors and other people who engage publicly on intellectual issues to interact more effectively with their readers and viewers and listeners.

And it occurred to me this week that with a bit of modification that that could serve exactly the function that were hoping it would serve.

So what we're going to try to do as fast as we possibly can is to set the system up on a subscriber model that's analogous to Patron.

It'll have a bunch of additional features which I don't want to talk about right now, and I don't want to over promise.

But the system is is because the system is new, but we're going to try to get that rolled out as fast as we possibly can.

So and we have a number of people who are interested in hypothetically interested in moving their their subscription service over to it.

Dave and I are very seriously planning to do this as soon as we can do it in an intelligent way.

You know, by the way, one of the interesting things here that we haven't talked about this.

But I'm guessing your experiences just like mine the amount of e mails that I have received and, of course, tweets and everything else, but mostly emails from developers, from investors, from regular people, from engineers.

I mean, just anyone going this is the one because, you know, the issue with all of these free speech things is it's like you don't want to swing too early before you realize that the problems got into critical mass.

But then most likely you're gonna swing too late that the lines will have so far that we may be on the outside of them.

And that's why this one, I think, was so interesting.

Because Carl, you know, years ago five or six years ago when I started waking up to what was going on with the left, obviously a mental of the free speech stuff, everyone said, You've got to talk to Sargon Avocado Easy guys.

So this is the guy that's been ahead of all of this are going to was like he was big.

He was very helpful to me when I was first under attack, you know, and he's a brave guy and and so and it's a real mistake what patron has done to him.

And as I said, everybody in our network is extremely upset about it.

Like we've been sending emails back and forth while probably with 30 or 40 people.

We wanted to make this video today to let everybody that we're communicating with know that we have not seen sleeping on this front.

Man, people are trying to figure out what to do, so this stops happening and and so and we have a good plan, and we're gonna try to implement a soon as possible.

So if I would ask everybody who's listening to be in a reasonably patient, imagine that this will take somewhere between a week and a month to sort out properly or we're going.

We're going to try to get something up in the next week, hopefully before Christmas.

If we can't manage that, you know, cause when you implement something like this, there are technical complications that might emerge that you don't foresee.

But I don't want people to get the impression that we're taking this lightly or lying down and that we're not looking for a permanent alternative because we are.

And I think we can come up with a better alternative.

I would just add that it was like we were waiting for a moment.

You know, we've watched these doors slowly closing on all of us, whether it's Twitter, whether it's Facebook, who's getting band, who's getting shadow band payment, processing everything else, and we're taking this as seriously as possible.

Of course, you know Jordan, who's working harder than anyone on the face of the planet.

Somehow you managed to also partly build the platform over the course of the past year.

In the middle of all that, I knew that this we knew that this was lurking in the background and that this was gonna be a problem.

Dave, you've spent lots of time talking to investors and developers about building alternatives to these platforms that seem to be willing to throw their weight around in an increasingly arbitrary manner.

But it's not like it's a simple thing to do.

People want somebody to say enough is enough and I mentioned this in a live stream I did the other day.

But, you know, I've watched my patri Andraka.

We've lost around 600 patrons, I think about 5000 bucks a month.

But in a weird way, I've actually been inspired by it because I'm watching you agree for themselves.

So it's like on one hand people are e mailing me and they're saying, I'm dropping my patronage and I'm really pissed and it's not about you and I want to support you.

On the other hand, my business side is going That's not great, but you know, but we will.

I've lost 2000 subscribers and I feel exactly the same way.

It's like, Well, they're telling patron to go to hell and you know, it's It's not so good for me on the financial front, although that's not too big a catastrophe at the moment.

They're they're taking the right stand and encouraging us, Let's say or encouraging someone to do something about this.

So anyway, uh, that's why I like I like what you said.

If we could just ask you guys to be reasonably patient, we're talking to everybody that you can think of and some people that you can't think of.

We're gonna We're gonna At least we're going to do our best to fix it.

There's gonna be some bumps along the way a man, because we're now we have to speed this process up to, so we'll have to consider this a beta version.

But at minimum, we hope to provide a an easy way of switching to a new subscription service within the next very short while eso and thank you everyone for your patience and your continued support and your attention and your thoughts and your reaction to all of this and and it's It's very much appreciated, and it does help us.

I would say maintain motivation to continue doing this constantly.

You know, the fact that I have all these patrons subscribers certainly is one of the reasons that I try to put my YouTube channel.

I wouldn't say first and foremost, cause it's had to take a backseat to this lecture tour.

But men, it's way the hell up there on my priority list.

And it gives us all sorts of flexibility to do all sorts of things.

It gave me a little bit of flexibility to join you on this tour, so I'm incredibly humbled and appreciative of everybody that George and I will.

I will see it in a couple of days in West Palm Beach leading steak.

While I found a good steak place here, so Well, I'm looking forward to seeing you, Dave, that continuing the tour a cause, we're going to continue the tour in in Ah, California.