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  • Hi and welcome back to another episode of The Tech Lead.

  • My name is The Tech Lead

  • and I will be the tech lead today.

  • I wanted to talk about

  • why I left my six-figure job at Google

  • because for a lot of people they imagine

  • that once they get into Google,

  • it will be happily ever after from there on now.

  • Like, it's a great company to work for,

  • it's kind of the life-long dream for a lot of people

  • and once they get in they imagine

  • they'll just be there forever.

  • They would basically have it made.

  • But that's not actually how it plays out in reality

  • and you may be surprised to know that the average tenure

  • of a Google engineer is like 3.2 years only

  • and that's actually on the high end

  • and for other company's it's even less.

  • Now, I was working as a software engineer tech lead

  • on the YouTube iOS app

  • and you know, it was a six-figure salary,

  • very good pay, good compensation,

  • very nice benefits, free food everywhere,

  • free drinks, good parties, occasional trips,

  • like we had annual ski trips

  • and you know, it was great.

  • Now, before I'd gone into Google,

  • I would be one of those people who would just go like Costco

  • and just get as many samples as I could

  • and that would be my lunch.

  • I would love food samples.

  • And I might go to Trader Joe's

  • and grab their free coffee

  • and I might go to chocolate shops

  • and just get free samples everywhere.

  • And you know, I was just hungry and starving basically,

  • everywhere I went.

  • And after Google, that kind of changed me a little bit.

  • Basically, I was able to get

  • as many free samples as I wanted at Google

  • because all the food was free

  • and it was fantastic.

  • And you know, when I first got in

  • I couldn't understand why anyone would ever want

  • to leave the place.

  • Like, I had worked so hard to get into Google

  • and it was for me a dream come true.

  • I had been applying to try to get in for many years and

  • I had failed the interview process multiple times actually,

  • like three times or something

  • and on my last attempt

  • I remember the interviewers even telling me, wow,

  • you must really want to get into Google,

  • because our records show that you just keep applying

  • and I was like, yeah, I just really wanna get in.

  • And so when I got in I couldn't fathom

  • why anybody would ever want to leave the company.

  • It didn't make sense to me.

  • There's was no place better than Google

  • in my opinion.

  • And they also allow you to switch teams too,

  • so if the team or work ever got boring

  • you could just switch to another team.

  • You could even switch to another location

  • if you wanted to.

  • So they had you covered on all sorts of areas

  • and I think for that reason the tenure is a

  • little bit longer there than other places

  • and it's a great company overall to work for.

  • But throughout my time I did see people on my team leave.

  • And I can tell you a few of their stories like, one guy had

  • basically gotten into Google right after college

  • and he just worked for years at the company after that

  • and he never had the chance to travel.

  • And I can understand that.

  • And so he wanted to take some time off

  • to just travel full time

  • and fulfill his dreams of going to like Tahiti

  • and going all over the place.

  • And he had money, he had youth and he just wanted to go out

  • and travel for a few months.

  • And yeah, I think that makes sense.

  • Like, I honestly thought that was a little silly

  • when I first heard it

  • because I had just finished traveling myself

  • and I was a little disillusioned by travel.

  • I didn't really think it was so cool of a thing anymore.

  • So giving up a career

  • to just, basically, I knew that he would be back.

  • And within three months he was back,

  • basically asking for his job again.

  • You don't really need that much time to travel.

  • Like, you think that you can travel for years and years

  • but in reality, after about two to four weeks of traveling

  • you're basically done, like you're exhausted

  • and you want to sit down and rest.

  • But anyway, he's doing fine, he's great.

  • And I think that in order to get even a few months to go out

  • and travel you may need to quit your job anyway.

  • Like, I'm not sure if anyone's going

  • to just allow you to stay with a company

  • and just take a few months off, like,

  • even if you can promise you'll be back

  • after that short amount of time.

  • Like, I don't know if they'd do it.

  • They might.

  • I've heard other people joining companies like Uber.

  • You know, these are unicorn start-ups

  • and it's a shot at making big money maybe,

  • but in reality I'm not sure

  • I recommend that path really either,

  • because I think that

  • these unicorn start-ups,

  • they never really tell you

  • how much money you're actually getting, how many shares.

  • They just tell you, you get like, 50 million shares

  • but in reality you have no idea

  • what valuation that's going to be at

  • and what percentage of the company you've got.

  • So it's really a leap of faith

  • that you're taking for the company

  • and basically I'm not sure if that's really

  • that great of an option, but it could be,

  • especially because when people

  • from large tech companies like Google go into start-ups

  • they get better positions and they can like,

  • you know, maybe get more control, more responsibilities

  • and develop personally more.

  • So yeah, I think that could be interesting, actually.

  • Other people I know have gone

  • to other large tech companies in similar categories

  • I've seen some junior engineers just quit

  • to go run their own start-ups

  • and again, I'm not really sure that's really a great path

  • because I think it's good experience

  • to basically like, just work

  • in a large tech company like Google

  • and just learn the ropes

  • and the chances of a start-up succeeding are

  • actually, perhaps far lower than you might imagine.

  • A few years over at Google you'll be promoted a few times

  • and you'll salary will probably go up

  • so I think kind of in my mind like, maybe a junior engineer

  • who got into Google is taking it for granted

  • and thinking it's easy to do it,

  • but I don't think it's that easy in reality.

  • Like, at least it wasn't for me.

  • So it took me quite a while to get in and yeah.

  • One thing to note though, is if you've gotten in before

  • you may be able to get back in again, another time.

  • Like, I've heard a few stories of people who left

  • and then later came back

  • so if people wanna go out and explore some other route

  • like start-ups or something like that

  • maybe something really promising

  • and then if it doesn't go well

  • they come back.

  • I think that's actually a fine route, actually.

  • So I think what's interesting to consider is that

  • when you first get into one of these top tech companies

  • you think, oh, it's so great and you're never going to leave

  • but overtime that actually becomes your baseline

  • and it's not really the end of a journey

  • it is the continuation of your journey.

  • And basically, you owe it to yourself

  • to see how much further you can go.

  • Whether within that same company

  • or if another company or another path is going

  • to be for you.

  • As for myself, I hit three and a half years, pretty similar

  • to say like the 3.2 average year amount

  • that people start leaving companies

  • and I just felt that it was about time

  • to broaden my experience, take a look around, see what

  • else was out there.

  • You know, basically, once I was able

  • to get into Google, having that on your resume

  • really helps open a lot of doors and options for you

  • like the world becomes your pick, basically.

  • Like anything else that looks interesting

  • to you people will probably at least give you an interview

  • and talk to you about whatever opportunities.

  • So I went to Google and I was stunned

  • by all the amazing technology

  • they've got there.

  • Like, it's really like living in the future there.

  • There are so many cool internal tools and systems

  • and everything is set up so well

  • and a lot of this is proprietary internal software

  • that has yet to be open-sourced or released

  • for public usage.

  • And you know, some of these may not be released

  • for years or forever,

  • because they're integrated so well

  • with Google's internal tools

  • that basically, some of these tools may just be inseparable.

  • And so I thought, if I got into Google

  • and there's this whole hidden secret world of technology

  • just within that company

  • that was not public for anyone else to see

  • and the only way to get access to see that whole world was

  • to get into the company,

  • I wanted to see what was

  • behind the walls of other companies as well

  • because I was just so fascinated by the internal technology

  • that has yet to be released

  • and I wanted to see how other companies

  • where being set up inside what tools they had.

  • I wanted to see what their workflow was like,

  • what the culture was like,

  • what their vision is.

  • You know, every company has its own culture,

  • its own pro and cons, their mission,

  • their you know, like for example, Google is known

  • as a very engineering-based culture,

  • they have strong processes, good code reviews,

  • good ownership and they really focus on

  • just like well-crafted solid engineering

  • and that's great.

  • However, one criticism has been that

  • they move a little bit too slowly

  • and that other companies may have another whole set

  • of different cultures.

  • So it was just interesting for me to think about all that

  • and for me it kind of got the best of my curiosity

  • and I started taking a look around

  • and wanting to apply to other companies

  • and see what else was out there.

  • Eventually, I found a company

  • that seemed quite interesting to me

  • and I wanted to see what was behind the walls, take a look

  • and yeah, that was basically the path that I took.

  • Anyway, the takeaway I wanted to get across to you was

  • a lot of people are trying to get into Google

  • and they can't and I want you to realize

  • that it's not like getting into heaven

  • and then you just live there happily ever after forever.

  • It's only good for about 3.2 years on average

  • for most people and after that they go on

  • and find some other things.

  • So if your life goal is to get into Google

  • just remember that for the average person

  • after just 3.2 years,

  • they've had their fill, they're done and they move on

  • and they find some other place to go.

  • Maybe it's a start-up, maybe it's another company

  • and so there's more than one way

  • to get into these other places, like,

  • if somebody joins Google

  • and after a few years gets into Uber

  • maybe you should just apply into Uber.

  • Or if someone goes to Google

  • and then decides to go to a start-up,

  • maybe you should just apply straight to that start-up.

  • And you know, that's kind of like a shortcut.

  • Now, maybe your position and pay would not be as high

  • but I would say that probably more than position or pay is

  • just being within the walls of a company

  • that will kind of define the sort of lifestyle

  • you're going to have.

  • You know, most people within a company are living

  • very similar lifestyles.

  • They have the same food, they go in at the same time,

  • they work on the same problems and all that.

  • And I would imagine that especially if like,

  • I've seen junior engineers,

  • they come into Google,

  • they work one year and then they're done

  • and they go do their start-up.

  • Like, for those people,

  • maybe what they were really looking for was

  • just a bit of validation.

  • They just wanted to feel that they could be certified

  • as an actual software engineer

  • and after that there were other things

  • that they really wanted to do.

  • So I might encourage you

  • to think a little bit longer term, little bit broader

  • than just getting into a company,

  • like think about the overall lifestyle

  • that you're trying to craft for yourself.

  • And for the average person, Google is not the destination,

  • it is just one piece of their journey

  • in software engineering.

  • So that will do it for me.

  • I hope you enjoyed the episode, give it a like and subscribe

  • and I will see you next time.

  • Say hi, Sunny.

  • Sunny, say hi.

  • Hi, Sunny.

Hi and welcome back to another episode of The Tech Lead.

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