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  • - Sup you beautiful bastards!

  • Hope you've had a fantastic Tuesday.

  • Welcome back to the Philip DeFranco Show

  • and let's just jump into it.

  • And the first thing that we're gonna talk about today,

  • I can't believe we're having to talk about this again

  • and since apparently everybody else on the internet

  • is scared to say it,

  • once again I will preach it from the rooftops,

  • racism is bad.

  • (uplifting music) (crowd cheering)

  • I mean, it was an honor just to be nominated.

  • No, but the reason I'm doing this bit again

  • is because of this controversy

  • surrounding Saturday Night Live.

  • As you might have seen last Thursday,

  • you had SNL announcing three new cast members

  • for its upcoming 45th season:

  • Shane Gillis, Chloe Fineman and Bowen Yang.

  • And initially it was actually Yang

  • that had most of the spotlight.

  • There was a lot of praise pouring in,

  • people excited for him

  • to be the only Asian-American regular on the show.

  • Also joining Kate McKinnon as one

  • of the show's two openly gay regulars.

  • But then the focus shifted to Shane Gillis

  • over the past few days,

  • and that is because of a series of podcasts

  • that he made with fellow comedian Matt McCusker

  • called "Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast."

  • One of the first of these clips that went viral

  • was Gillis talking about Asian people living

  • in cultural areas like Chinatown.

  • - All right, no one said anything.

  • - Let the fucking (beep) live there.

  • And the translation between you and the waiter,

  • it's just such a fucking hassle.

  • It's like, can you, I'm pointing at it.

  • Like this is the fucking nooder.

  • - Which actually on the note of the video being

  • out there in the world,

  • when this story started to break,

  • Gillis actually deleted all the videos

  • from his YouTube channel.

  • But of course, copies were soon posted,

  • there were clips all over the place,

  • and so in those now not-so-secret podcasts,

  • Gillis can be heard making comments about Latino people,

  • Middle Eastern people, Jewish people.

  • You also had people sharing a clip

  • from a different podcast where reportedly on May 27th,

  • Gillis seemingly used slurs directed

  • at Democratic Presidential candidate, Andrew Yang.

  • - [Gillis] Give me your next candidate, Dems.

  • Jew, (beep), next.

  • Actually, they are running a Jew (beep).

  • - You also have people calling Gillis homophobic

  • after uncovering a podcast

  • where he repeatedly used an anti-gay slur.

  • In one of those instances, he uses the slur

  • right after doing a caricatured Middle Eastern accent,

  • all while criticizing comedians

  • who talk about their depression in their stand-up routines.

  • - [Gillis] Those guys are fucking gayer than Isis.

  • At least Isis is out there like,

  • "For me, we need to get pussy

  • "after we blow ourselves up, we get a bunch of pussy."

  • These white (beep) comics, they're like,

  • "I'm just sad 'cause life's hard

  • "and like, it turns out, and I'm gay."

  • - And with all of this happening,

  • you had a co-owner of a comedy theater

  • that Gillis used to perform at telling Vulture,

  • "Good Good Comedy Theater stopped working with him

  • "within the past few years because of racist, homophobic

  • "and sexist things he's said on and offstage."

  • Now, later on Thursday,

  • we saw Gillis kind of apologize on Twitter, writing,

  • "I'm a comedian who pushes boundaries.

  • "I sometimes miss.

  • "If you go through my 10 years of comedy, most of it bad,

  • "you're going to find a lot of bad misses.

  • "I'm happy to apologize to anyone

  • "who's actually offended by anything I've said.

  • "My intention is never to hurt anyone

  • "but I am trying to be the best comedian I can be

  • "and sometimes that requires risks."

  • Although I will note with those

  • that were not happy with Gillis here,

  • there were criticisms because it's not like a lot

  • of this was from 10 years ago,

  • with a number of them being from the past two years

  • and notably the most recent,

  • seemingly, at least according to reports,

  • is that Andrew Yang clip from May.

  • The main point, the reactions and the debate,

  • they continued over the weekend until yesterday

  • when you had SNL put out a statement saying,

  • "After talking with Shane Gillis,

  • "we have decided that he will not be joining SNL

  • "We want SNL to have a variety of voices

  • "and points of view within the show,

  • "and we hired Shane on the strength of his talent

  • "as a comedian and his impressive audition for SNL.

  • "The language he used is offensive,

  • "hurtful and unacceptable.

  • "We are sorry that we did not see these clips earlier,

  • "and that our vetting process was not up to our standard."

  • Right, so you have the show pulling Gillis's offer.

  • You then had Gillis making another statement, writing,

  • "It feels ridiculous for comedians

  • "to be making serious public statements, but here we are.

  • "I'm a comedian who was funny enough to get SNL

  • "That can't be taken away.

  • "Of course I wanted an opportunity to prove myself at SNL,

  • "but I understand it would be too much of a distraction.

  • "I respect the decision they made.

  • "I'm honestly grateful for the opportunity.

  • "I was always a mad TV guy anyway."

  • And among the people responding to this news,

  • we saw former cast members and an SNL host chime in.

  • You had Sandra Oh, who hosted the show

  • earlier this year, saying,

  • "Glad to see @nbcsnl decision

  • "to not legitimize/give platform

  • "to purveyors of racist homophobic content.

  • "Risks?

  • "Lazy ass unoriginal."

  • You also had the likes of David Spade

  • talking about the oust with guests

  • on his Comedy Central late night show.

  • Notably there you had those guests bringing up

  • SNL's past history with racist skits,

  • with them specifically referencing

  • John Belushi portraying a Samurai back in the 70s.

  • In the 90s, you had Mike Myers playing a host

  • on a Japanese game show skit

  • where people cut off their fingers,

  • and with Spade himself saying.

  • - I think when I was younger on SNL,

  • when you get hired,

  • the first move wasn't to rifle through your past

  • to make sure you get fired right away.

  • - You also had Rob Schneider,

  • who was on the show in the 90s, saying,

  • "Dear Shane Gillis,

  • "As a former SNL cast member,

  • "I am sorry that you had the misfortune

  • "of being a cast member during this era

  • "of cultural unforgiveness

  • "where comedic misfires are subject

  • "to the intolerable inquisition of those

  • "who never risked bombing on a stage themselves."

  • Notably there, he was challenged

  • by another user who wrote,

  • "But he knew what he was doing.

  • "He wasn't treading the line, he was crossing it.

  • "He was using derogatory and racist language

  • "on a public platform.

  • "He should accept the consequences and learn from it."

  • To which Rob Schneider responded,

  • "I felt sad when I saw the clip.

  • "But I was even more sad that he went there

  • "and it wasn't funny.

  • "Just an ugly conversation.

  • "He has the right to say it,

  • "cancel culture is wrong but people have the right

  • "to call racist things racist as well."

  • And soon after adding, "Last thought on this.

  • "There's a difference between exposing truths

  • "through Free Speech and just being ugly.

  • "It's not okay to say racist things

  • "under the guise of comedy.

  • "Just because you have a mic in your hand

  • "doesn't make the racist things you say any less racist."

  • Following those comments, we saw a number of users

  • sharing old photos of Rob Schneider

  • dressed as people from different cultures.

  • All right, so people seemingly saying,

  • "Who are you to criticize?"

  • Also, very notably, you had Andrew Yang

  • jumping into the mix,

  • with Yang saying on Twitter,

  • "Shane, I prefer comedy that makes people think

  • "and doesn't take cheap shots.

  • "But I'm happy to sit down and talk with you if you'd like.

  • "I think we have, as a society,

  • "become excessively punitive and vindictive

  • "concerning people's statements and expressions

  • "we disagree with or find offensive.

  • "I don't think people should be losing jobs

  • "unless it's truly beyond the pale and egregious."

  • And then also adding,

  • "It's also the case that anti-Asian racism

  • "is particularly virulent

  • "because it's somehow considered more acceptable.

  • "If Shane had used the N word,

  • "the treatment would likely be immediate and clear."

  • And it appears that that message

  • may have resonated with Gillis

  • because Yang has said that the two

  • will be sitting down with each other.

  • And so that's where we are right now,

  • but with all of that said,

  • I pass the question off to you.

  • What are your thoughts on this?

  • Do you think it was right or SNL is smart in removing Gillis

  • or do you think it's maybe hypocritical

  • that SNL is getting rid of Gillis given their past,

  • or is it not, because the sketches being referenced

  • are decades old?

  • Yeah, I'd love to know your thoughts on this.

  • I mean, as far as how this goes forward,

  • I know that I've seen a lot of people cheering

  • that Gillis isn't getting this job,

  • they think that it's gonna be bad for his career.

  • I really don't think so.

  • This has potentially given him way more attention

  • than he would have gotten

  • as being kind of just one of the new guys on SNL.

  • He's been gaining followers since this started.

  • He could definitely ride this wave of people

  • that see this as PC culture run amok.

  • I mean, I would honestly be surprised

  • if this whole situation doesn't get him

  • thrust onto The Joe Rogan Experience

  • and/or maybe some other large podcast,

  • but there's definitely gonna be an audience for him,

  • especially if other comedians like Tony Hinchcliffe,

  • who has vouched for how funny Shane is, are correct.

  • Yeah, I guess give it enough time, we'll see,

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