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  • Sid: Hello. Welcome to my world where

  • it's naturally supernatural. I have got

  • a passion to rescue young people that are caught in

  • the lies of the school system to undermine the validity of the

  • Bible.

  • My guest has absolute scientific proof, because he's an

  • outstanding scientist that evolution is not scientific.

  • Is there a supernatural dimension?

  • a world beyond the one we know?

  • Is there life after death?

  • Do angels exist?

  • Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven?

  • Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural?

  • Are healing miracles real?

  • Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of

  • the supernatural.

  • Join Sid for this edition of It's Supernatural!

  • Sid: My guest Bruce Malone is a scientist.

  • He was with Dow Chemical for 30 years.

  • He was one of the top 100 inventors.

  • He had 18 inventions that raised millions of dollars.

  • But taking you back when you were in college, you told me God

  • was irrelevant to you.

  • But you had a deadly virus and because of this deadly virus you

  • came to your senses and became a believer in Messiah.

  • But what I want him to tell you, as a scientist that could not

  • possibly believe in creationism, that could not possibly believe

  • that there was a worldwide flood, he goes to church shortly

  • thereafter and he hears a lecture by a creationist.

  • What effect did it have on you.

  • Bruce: Well it shook my entire view of reality.

  • I mean, everything I had been taught is this earth is billions

  • of years old.

  • And yet, this speaker was showing how fossils could not

  • possibly billions of years old.

  • And the more I studied, the more I realized that's true.

  • I mean, if you think about a fossil, it's a dead animal

  • caught in a rock layer.

  • And yet, a fish that dies in your aquarium, it doesn't turn

  • into a fossil.

  • It doesn't fossilize.

  • It's just eaten up and deteriorates, and turns into

  • food for other animals.

  • Sid: So what makes a fossil?

  • Bruce: In order to make a fossil, you have to have

  • something die and be buried very deeply and very rapidly, and

  • then lots of water flush through the rock layers as the sediment

  • is turned into rock.

  • And yet, there are billions of dead things turned into fossils

  • into rock layers covering this entire planet.

  • It's testimony that this entire globe has been deluged by an

  • incredible flood in the fairly recent past.

  • Sid: And what effect did that have on you?

  • Bruce: Well I realize what I had been told about world history

  • couldn't possibly be true because the very rocks

  • themselves don't match the characteristics of these huge

  • time periods.

  • Sid: But you also found out that this whole thing you believe,

  • this theory of evolution was false.

  • Tell me one of the major reasons.

  • Bruce: Well I'll give you two major reasons.

  • When you go to the bottom of these rock layers that were laid

  • down under water, they were all laid down under water, you find

  • enormous gaps between every very different kind of creature.

  • You'll find single cell organisms in starfish with

  • nothing in between.

  • How do you do that?

  • How do you go from a single cell to a starfish and leave nothing

  • in between?

  • It's like it was created.

  • There are starfish and lobsters, and coral, and different kinds

  • of animals, very different from each other with enormous gaps.

  • Second, we have very recently been discovering dinosaur bones

  • that have totally unfossilized soft, stretchy tissue inside the

  • bones.

  • Now Sid, think about this.

  • If your grandfather's dog died and he buried it in his backyard

  • and you came back 50 years later and dug in that spot, would you

  • find any bones left, any soft tissue left?

  • No, you wouldn't.

  • Sid: It would all be decayed.

  • Bruce: All things that used to be alive totally decay.

  • They turn back into molecules that totally disappear.

  • No fossils are tissue that have turned into rock.

  • But inside of that rock we find soft tissue.

  • It can't be there unless those bones were buried very recently.

  • And we have found dozens of these dinosaur bones with soft

  • tissue in Montana, in Siberia, over in Europe, around the world

  • still with soft tissue inside of them.

  • Sid: So where did we get the earth is a million, a billion

  • years old, or whatever?

  • Bruce: Well you have to realize what's going on in science.

  • There are only two possibilities to explain everything.

  • I mean, pretend the entire earth is represented by this puzzle,

  • this box.

  • Sid: Okay.

  • Bruce: Either the puzzle made itself either all the pieces,

  • which are like the animals we find all over the earth, made

  • themselves or something outside of this box made the box.

  • Science has been defined as only allowing natural processes.

  • Sid: So what you're saying to me is you're telling me over a

  • billion years that I could throw these pieces like this and

  • they'll all make themselves into a puzzle.

  • You got more faith than I got.

  • Bruce: Exactly.

  • That's the way science operates.

  • Let's just pretend it made itself.

  • But I'm telling you, the laws of science show us it couldn't have

  • made itself.

  • And the evidence from the rock layers say they were laid down

  • rapidly.

  • Sid: I'm going to tell you something.

  • The evidence that he has, it's irrefutable.

  • I want you to think for yourself.

  • We're going to come back and you're going to find out

  • something that is as ridiculous as these pieces of puzzle making

  • themselves.

  • We'll be right back to It's Supernatural!

  • We now return to It's Supernatural!

  • Sid: Okay.

  • Now the earth according to many scientists is billions of years

  • old.

  • We have scientific inventions that help us date how old the

  • earth is.

  • What do you say about the book called the Bible that says the

  • earth is a little over 6000 years old?

  • Bruce: Well what you're not hearing about, Sid, is that the

  • vast majority of dating methods indicate a very recent creation.

  • But to explain life without God you've got to have enormous

  • periods of time.

  • So they only pick the methods that seem to indicate, well

  • maybe there has been a lot of time.

  • Let me just explain one, radial carbon dating.

  • Everybody has heard about that.

  • And I'll show you why it really supports a recent creation.

  • All of our bodies are made of carbon.

  • A certain amount disappears every so often.

  • So as soon as you die it starts disappearing.

  • Say the carbon in your body is represented by this sheet of

  • paper.

  • After so many years, half of it disappears.

  • After so many more years another half disappears.

  • So many more years, half disappears and the a half more

  • disappears, and a half more disappears.

  • We can measure how fast that happens today.

  • You see what's happening?

  • You get less and less, and less until eventually you don't even

  • have a single molecule of the paper left.

  • So scientists measure how much something has died, they dig it

  • up out of the ground, they measure how much radial carbon

  • is left and they calculate, well then it must have been alive

  • thousands of years ago because there's hardly any left.

  • This is what you're not told.

  • This is what students aren't told.

  • We can dig up dinosaur bones or coal that was supposedly buried

  • hundreds of millions of years ago.

  • There shouldn't be a single atom of radial carbon left.

  • Just like you can't keep dividing the paper over and over

  • again.

  • And yet, we find like this much radial carbon left in those

  • things.

  • It says those dinosaur bones, those coal scenes couldn't

  • possibly be as old as we're told because there's enormous amounts

  • of this radial carbon left in them.

  • Sid: So could it be what the Bible says, a little over 6000

  • years old?

  • Bruce: See, that's what I explain to people when I go out

  • and I teach in churches and in schools, the vast majority of

  • the evidence indicates those things are very young exactly as

  • the Bible indicates.

  • Sid: Okay.

  • Another subject.

  • Is there any proof that a creature has turned into another

  • creature or the whole evolutionary cycle?

  • Bruce: There is absolutely no proof for that.

  • What you get is variations within a kind of creature.

  • It's like, you look at all the different kind of dogs we have.

  • We have Chihuahuas and we have Great Danes.

  • But they all came from the information God put within the

  • first wolf type creature.

  • And then you get lots of variation.

  • But a dog has never turned into a cow, and it's never been shown

  • how it could happen.

  • Now what evolution will do is line things up as you see in

  • museums and in textbooks.

  • Sid: Speaking of lining things up, the American Museum of

  • Natural History has an exhibition of horses.

  • Tell me about that how it lines things up.

  • Bruce: It's a classic example.

  • You see it in the textbooks and the museums.

  • They'll line up creatures that have three toes and then

  • creatures that have two toes, and the creatures that have a

  • single hoof, it would be a small creature and the a medium size

  • creature, and then a big creature, you see that proves

  • the horse evolved from a different creature.

  • Once again, remember you're not being told the whole story.

  • We have since then became very popular shown, all those

  • creatures have been found in the same layer of rocks.

  • So how could one turn into another?

  • Sid: But wait.

  • Now you're talking science to me.

  • You're talking scientific fact.

  • That blows that exhibit out of the water.

  • Bruce: Blows it out of the water.

  • Sid: Why is it still there?

  • Bruce: Because you've got to try to pretend that it happened so

  • they'll leave it there.

  • Sid: Why do you have to pretend?

  • Bruce: Because the only alternative is that God made

  • horses.

  • One moment there wasn't a horse, the next moment there was.

  • We have lots of variety.

  • Some of these horses have since went extinct.

  • But they were simply horses with lots of variety, just like we

  • have dogs with lots of variety.

  • Sid: All right.

  • But what about we hear from time to time these missing links,

  • these half, these apes that really look like they're almost

  • human?

  • Bruce: It's storytelling, Sid.

  • Sid: How come they find bones?

  • They find bones.

  • Bruce: I could find a tricycle and a bicycle, and a motorcycle,

  • and a car buried in the ground, and I can line them up and say,

  • see, that proves that that tricycle turned into that

  • automobile all by itself.

  • That's the same thing with the bones.

  • That's how you can think about them.

  • It's a story to try to explain things as if God hasn't done it.

  • It's just bones that are lined up.

  • Doesn't mean one is turned into another.

  • Sid: As a scientist, I want you to help me.

  • Now this is what doesn't make sense to me.

  • They say, you know, a monkey became an ape, became a human.

  • This is taught as science.

  • So therefore, if that be true, why aren't there some half-apes

  • and half-men walking around?

  • Bruce: Because half of something doesn't work.

  • A half of a feather can't fly.

  • You can't have a reptile scale fraying and turning into a

  • feather and have both animals be useful in some way.

  • It just wouldn't work.

  • Sid: Tell me about the bees and the pollination of flowers.

  • Bruce: Well remember, if you're not going to believe God created