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  • WELCOME TO THE YOUNG TURKS.

  • HAVE WE GOT AN INTERESTING SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT.

  • NORMALLY WE WOULD GO STORY BY STORY, AND WE WILL.

  • ANA WILL JOIN ME FOR THAT.

  • BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A VERY RARE LIVE INTERVIEW AND

  • THAT IS BECAUSE BERNIE SANDERS IS IN THE STUDIO.

  • SENATOR SANDERS, WELCOME.

  • IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

  • THERE IS LOTS TO TALK ABOUT.

  • ALMOST A YEAR AGO YOU WERE DOWN ONLY 59 POINTS IN THE POLLS.

  • THAT WAS A GOOD POLL.

  • THIS WEEK YOU ARE WITHIN FIVE POINTS OF HILLARY CLINTON.

  • YOU'VE WON 12

  • CONTESTS SO FAR, BUT I HAVE INTERVIEWED YOU IN THE PAST

  • AND MY HONEST ASSESSMENT IS THAT YOU WOULD'VE HAD NO CHANCE,

  • 12 YEARS AGO, EIGHT YEARS AGO, OR EVEN FOUR YEARS AGO.

  • DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT, AND IF YOU DO, WHAT DO YOU THINK

  • HAS CHANGED SO DRAMATICALLY TO PUT YOU IN THIS POSITION?

  • I DO AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT.

  • I THINK THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IS PEOPLE ARE LOOKING

  • AT THE WORLD IN WHICH THEY ARE LIVING, WHAT THEY ARE SEEING IS

  • THEY ARE WORKING IN MANY CASES LONGER HOURS, FOR LOW WAGES.

  • THEY ARE SEEING THAT THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO SEND THEIR KIDS

  • TO COLLEGE, AND THEY WORRY ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THEIR CHILDREN.

  • I THINK THAT IS EMOTIONALLY ñ AND NO MATTER WHETHER YOU

  • ARE CONSERVATIVE OR PROGRESSIVE, YOU THINK THAT SUCKS.

  • THAT IS NOT WHAT AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IS.

  • AND I FIND A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER ON THAT.

  • THE OTHER ISSUE IS PEOPLE SEE A CORRUPT CAMPAIGN FINANCE SYSTEM.

  • WHERE BILLIONAIRES ARE BUYING ELECTIONS AND THEY ARE

  • UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT.

  • AND THEN YOU HAVE THE MOST SANE PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND THAT

  • CLIMATE CHANGE IS GOING TO CAUSE DEVASTATING PROBLEMS UNLESS

  • WE GET A HANDLE ON IT.

  • SO, WHY NOW DO YOU THINK THAT FRUSTRATION HAS BUILT TO A

  • CLIMAX AND WITH THE SENSE OF, WELL, NOTHING IS EVER GOING

  • TO CHANGE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MONEY IN POLITICS ISSUE.

  • I THINK THE FOLKS WHO TOOK ON WALL STREET DESERVE SOME

  • CREDIT FOR RAISING THE ISSUE OF INCOME AND WEALTH INEQUALITY.

  • I THINK THE COMBINATION OF SIMPLY THE REALITY OF

  • AMERICAN LIFE ñ PEOPLE ASK THEMSELVES, WHY ARE WE THE

  • ONLY COUNTRY THAT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE PEOPLE?

  • WHY DO WE HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE OF CHILDHOOD POVERTY?

  • WHY ARE KIDS GRADUATING COLLEGE DEEPLY IN DEBT?

  • THIS IS THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN HISTORY.

  • DO YOU REALLY WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY LIKE THIS?

  • I THINK THAT IS THE REALITY THAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING.

  • AND THEY ARE SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

  • COME TO THE RALLIES THAT WE DO, WE HAVE 10, 20,000 PEOPLE.

  • YOU SEE THE HOPE IN PEOPLE'S EYES THAT WE CAN, AS A

  • NATION, DO A LOT BETTER.

  • WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE MEDIA HERE. GOOD.

  • ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAY IS THAT IT IS UNREALISTIC.

  • YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRIES HAVE

  • SINGLE-PAYER HEALTHCARE AND HAVE ALL THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED.

  • SO WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE MEDIA IS SAYING IT IS UNREALISTIC?

  • FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CORPORATE MEDIA.

  • LET ME CONGRATULATE YOU BECAUSE WE NEED TO BREAK THROUGH THE

  • FOG OF THE CORPORATE MEDIA, WHICH DOES EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN

  • TO KEEP US ENTERTAINED WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE REAL ISSUES.

  • I AM IN THE CORPORATE MEDIA EVERY SINGLE DAY.

  • YOU DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT IS JUST TO TRY AND DEMAND FOR

  • THEM TO BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUES.

  • THEY TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN, BUT NOT THE REAL ISSUES.

  • I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE IS A CORPORATE MEDIA WHICH,

  • BY DEFINITION, HAS CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

  • COMCAST OWNS NBC. DISNEY IS A CO-OWNER.

  • THEY ARE BRINGING IN PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD TO REPLACE

  • AMERICAN WORKERS.

  • THESE ARE ISSUES THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS.

  • SECOND OF ALL, THE MODEL FOR MEDIA COVERAGE RIGHT NOW IS

  • SIX SECOND SOUNDBITES AND AN UNWILLINGNESS TO TALK ABOUT

  • THE REAL ISSUES IN A SERIOUS WAY.

  • FOR EXAMPLE, CLIMATE CHANGE.

  • I HAD TO WRITE A LETTER TO THE PRESIDENTS OF ALL THE

  • NETWORKS TO TELL THEM THEIR SUNDAY SHOWS, THEY NEVER

  • TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE.

  • WHY?

  • IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THEY GET A LOT OF

  • OIL MONEY FOR ADVERTISING?

  • I THINK IT DOES.

  • INCOME AND WEALTH INEQUALITY, WE HAVEN'T HAD REALLY SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS.

  • HEALTHCARE ñ DID YOU SEE MICHAEL MOORE'S MOVIE CALLED SICKO?

  • YES I DID. IT WAS A BRILLIANT MOVIE.

  • BUT I TELL YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE ARE

  • THE ONLY RICH COUNTRY THAT DOES NOT HAVE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL.

  • THEY DON'T KNOW THAT IN GERMANY, COLLEGE IS FREE.

  • THE MEDIA IS NOT TELLING THEM THAT.

  • THE MEDIA WANTS TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING IN THE

  • WORLD EXCEPT IMPORTANT ISSUES.

  • IF YOU TALK ABOUT REAL ISSUES, AND PEOPLE GET EDUCATED, DO

  • YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

  • THE ACTUALLY MAY WANT TO BRING ABOUT CHANGE.

  • DO YOU THINK YOU SEE NBC TALKING ABOUT CITIZENS UNITED?

  • I DON'T THINK SO. TELEVISION STATIONS MAKE A HUGE AMOUNT.

  • I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

  • BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, DO YOU THINK THAT TIME WARNER AND

  • COMCAST SHOULD HAVE TO DISCLOSE THAT THEY ARE AMONG THE TOP

  • 10 DONORS TO HILLARY CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN THROUGHOUT HER CAREER?

  • YEAH.

  • THEY ARE DOING THE DEBATES, ELECTION NIGHT COVERAGE,

  • AND THEY NEVER SAY THAT WE ARE AMONG THE TOP DONORS.

  • ABSOLUTELY.

  • I THINK THEY FOCUS ON MEDIA ITSELF, AND I DON'T DO ENOUGH OF IT.

  • YEAH, I THINK THAT POINT IS RIGHT, BUT THE DEMAND HAS

  • GOT TO BE FOR THE MEDIA ñ THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT,

  • TRYING TO GO AROUND THE SYSTEM.

  • I WAS AT ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY THE OTHER DAY.

  • BEAUTIFUL CAMPUS, BEAUTIFUL KIDS.

  • I ASKED THEM, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THERE IS ONLY ONE COUNTRY

  • THAT DOESN'T HAVE HEALTHCARE?

  • CONCEPTS ON JUSTICE- LEARNING WHAT GOES ON AROUND THE REST

  • OF THE WORLD.

  • VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE, NEVER TALKED ABOUT IN CORPORATE MEDIA.

  • I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE MEDIA

  • HAS DONE TO YOU.

  • I HAVE GIVEN DOZENS OF THESE EXAMPLES ON THE SHOW, BUT I

  • WANT TO HAVE YOU REACT TO IT.

  • FOR EXAMPLE THERE IS A

  • HEADLINE AGAINST YOU IN THE WASHINGTON POST.

  • IT'S AMAZING.

  • THEN WE HAD CHRIS CUOMO ASKING YOU THESE QUESTIONS.

  • I WANT YOU TO PAY ATTENTION TO HOW MAY TIMES HE ASKED YOU

  • ABOUT HOW YOU ARE PUNISHING PEOPLE.

  • HOW YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT IS ACTUALLY PUNITIVE.

  • YOU ARE GOING TO PUNISH PEOPLE WHO MAKE MONEY.

  • YOU WANT TO PUNISH THE FINANCIAL DISTRICT.

  • YOU ARE GOING TO PUNISH AND WIND UP CHANGING THE IDEA OF AN

  • OPEN AND FREE ECONOMY BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO PUNISH THEM

  • FOR SPECULATING.

  • I BELIEVE THAT WE COUNTED FOUR PUNISHES IN THERE.

  • HOW COME THEY NEVER ASK, HEY, ARE YOU GOING TO PUNISH THE KIDS

  • IN THIS COUNTRY BY SPENDING $1 TRILLION IN THE GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE ACT?

  • YOU ASKED EXACTLY THE RIGHT QUESTION. HERE IS THE STORY.

  • I HAVE BEEN MAYOR FOR EIGHT YEARS, CONGRESS FOR 16, U.S.

  • SENATE FOR NINE YEARS.

  • DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA HAVE

  • SAID, BERNIE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO END POVERTY IN AMERICA?

  • WE HAVE 47 MILLION PEOPLE IN POVERTY.

  • WHAT YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? THE ANSWER IS ZERO. NOT ONCE.

  • WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS NOT THAT THE MEDIA IS RIGHT WING OR

  • WHATEVER, IT IS THEY FRAME THE DISCUSSION.

  • THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE GOT TO BREAK THROUGH.

  • BY THE WAY, IF YOU THINK THIS IS THE WORST, HE IS NOT.

  • THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE A LOT MORE

  • CONSERVATIVE THAN CHRIS.

  • ON THIS ISSUE, WHAT CHRIS COULD'VE SAID WAS, BERNIE,

  • IN THE LAST 30 YEARS AS YOU KNOW, TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVE

  • BEEN IN A MASSIVE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.

  • TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVE GONE FROM THE HANDS OF THE

  • MIDDLE CLASS INTO THE ONE PERCENT.

  • BERNIE, THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT?

  • THAT WASN'T QUITE THE QUESTION I WAS ASKED.

  • DO YOU KNOW HOW OFTEN I AM ASKED THAT? ZERO.

  • MY IDEALS ARE RADICAL.

  • BUT IT IS NOT RADICAL WHEN WALL STREET, WHOSE ILLEGAL

  • BEHAVIOR NEARLY DESTROYED THIS ECONOMY, GETS BAILED OUT.

  • IT'S JUST THE WAY WE DO THINGS.

  • BUT TO TRY TO HELP THEIR CHILDREN, OR YOUNG PEOPLE

  • AFFORD TO GO TO COLLEGE, THAT IS UNREALISTIC.

  • I HAVE ONE MORE. THIS ONE IS ANDERSON COOPER.

  • AGAIN, LOOK AT THE FRAMING HERE.

  • I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO RESPOND TO IT.

  • AGAIN, THIS IS CNN OWNED BY TIME WARNER.

  • THIS IS FOUR QUESTIONS IN A ROW, WE CUT OUT YOUR ANSWERS.

  • THEY ARE ALL ON CASTRO IN CUBA. LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT CUBA.

  • OBAMA IS IN CUBA RIGHT NOW, A HISTORIC VISIT.

  • AS PRESIDENT, WOULD YOU ALSO MAKE HISTORY?

  • WOULD YOU INVITE RAUL CASTRO IF HE IS STILL THE LEADER OF

  • CUBA TO THE WHITE HOUSE?

  • TO NORMALIZE RELATIONS, TO YOU THAT WOULD MEAN INVITING A

  • LEADER LIKE RAUL CASTRO TO THE WHITE HOUSE?

  • THE MODERATORS PLAYED A VIDEO OF YOU FROM 1985

  • IN WHICH YOU PRAISED FIDEL CASTRO.

  • YOU SAID HE EDUCATED THEIR KIDS, GAVE THEM HEALTHCARE,

  • TRANSFORMED THEIR SOCIETY.

  • DO YOU THINK THE CUBAN REVOLUTION WAS GOOD FOR THE

  • PEOPLE OF CUBA?

  • TODAY, CLINTON WENT AFTER YOU FOR, IN HER WORDS,

  • ESSENTIALLY PRAISING THE REGIME OF FIDEL CASTRO.

  • WHAT WE GET FRUSTRATED ABOUT FROM TIME TO TIME, IS THAT

  • THERE IS NOT ADEQUATE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS IN THE MEDIA.

  • SO TED CRUZ MIGHT SAY, I AM GOING TO REBUILD THE MILITARY,

  • AND NO ONE EVER ASKED, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT?

  • BUT THERE YOU GOT THREE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS, ALL ON

  • CASTRO AND CUBA, IN AN EFFORT TO FRAME YOU WITH THAT ñ

  • AT THE TIME THE FLORIDA ELECTION WAS TAKING PLACE, BY THE WAY.

  • THAT'S RIGHT.

  • THE REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF FIGHTING THE MEDIA.

  • THEY SAY YOU HAVE A LIBERAL BIAS, THEN THEY GET SCARED

  • AND ASK THEM ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF PI—A COLADA'S THEY DRINK,

  • AND HOW NICE THEY ARE TO THEIR WIVES, LITERALLY THE

  • QUESTION THAT ANDERSON COOPER ASKED TED CRUZ AND THE OTHERS.

  • SHOULD YOU FIGHT BACK EVEN HARDER?

  • SAY THAT YOU ARE BIASED AGAINST ME?

  • I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

  • 2 HOURS AGO I DID AN INTERVIEW ON PBS, AND I HAD A FIGHT

  • WITH THEM, BECAUSE I COULD SEE WHERE THE DISCUSSION WAS GOING.

  • I WAS GOING TO GET TRAPPED IN LITTLE STUFF THERE.

  • I HAD TO FIGHT BACK AND TAKE OVER THAT DISCUSSION TO TALK ABOUT

  • WHAT MY CAMPAIGN IS ABOUT.

  • I HAVE TO DO THAT VERY OFTEN, MAYBE I SHOULD DO IT MORE OFTEN.

  • I HAVE TO SAY SHUT UP, WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS

  • IRRELEVANT TO WHERE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE.

  • MAYBE I SHOULD DO THAT, BUT TRUST ME, VIRTUALLY EVERY

  • INTERVIEW THAT WE DO WE HAVE TO FIGHT.

  • ON THIS ONE I ENDED UP DOING, WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS

  • WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK IT IS PROPER FOR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

  • TO GO AROUND OVERTHROWING GOVERNMENTS. BUT, YOU KNOW.

  • AND THE FRAMING SETS IT UP FOR THE AUDIENCE, AND SO THAT

  • IS WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT.

  • LET'S MOVE ON TO THE ISSUE OF ELECTABILITY AND HOW THE

  • MEDIA HAS COVERED THAT AS WELL.

  • THIS WILL BE THE LAST MEDIA QUESTION.

  • WE HAVE COVERED ALL THE DIFFERENT POLLS,

  • BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE DO, WE COVER THE NEWS HERE.

  • LET ME SHOW YOU HOW YOU DID IN THE LAST TWO POLLS, BUT I CAN

  • GO BACK AT LEAST A DOZEN POLLS AND GIVE YOU THE SAME RESULTS.

  • IN A POLL THAT JUST CAME OUT, HILLARY CLINTON DOES PRETTY

  • WELL AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, SHE IS BEATING HIM 46 ñ 40.

  • YOU AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, IT APPEARS YOU HAVE A

  • SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER LEAD.

  • WHAT IS THAT, FOURTEEN POINTS AS OPPOSED TO THE SIX-POINT LEAD SHE HAD?

  • LETS GO AGAINST TED CRUZ, SHE HAS A THREE-POINT LEAD,

  • ALMOST WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR, YOU HAVE AN ELEVEN POINT LEAD

  • AGAINST THE SAME TED CRUZ.

  • IT IS NOT AN OUTLIER, THIS IS NOT THE SAME POLL, I WILL SHOW

  • YOU A CNN POLL.

  • HILLARY CLINTON IS BEATING DONALD TRUMP BY TWELVE POINTS.

  • ARE YOU GOING TO DO AS WELL IN A CNN POLL?

  • YOU ARE BEATING HIM BY TWENTY POINTS.

  • AND THEN YOU GO TO HILLARY CLINTON VERSUS TED CRUZ,

  • SHE IS TIED WITH TED CRUZ.

  • THAT IS SCARY BUSINESS ISN'T IT?

  • YOU ARE BEATING TED CRUZ BY THIRTEEN POINTS.

  • I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU ONE MORE CLIP FROM THE MEDIA, BECAUSE

  • THEY TALKED ABOUT YOUR

  • ELECTABILITY ON AIR ON CNN, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS CLIP 8.

  • LET'S LISTEN TO ANDERSON COOPER TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO IS

  • MORE ELECTABLE.

  • BERNIE HAS A VERY POWERFUL MESSAGE, BUT I THINK A LOT

  • OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR HIM WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE

  • RATHER THAN PICK A PRESIDENT.

  • THIS IS JUST A THEORY, BUT IT MAY BE THAT THE TALK OF VIOLENCE

  • AND THE VIOLENCE AT TRUMP RALLIES SETS UP FOR DEMOCRATS

  • THAT WE NEED TO PICK A PRESIDENT AND NOT JUST SEND A MESSAGE.

  • DEMOCRATS MOSTLY THINK HILLARY CLINTON IS A STRONGER CANDIDATE.

  • I WONDER IF THE LEVEL OF SERIOUSNESS IN THE CAMPAIGN

  • ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE ñ

  • IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF ELECTABILITY GETS

  • HIGHER THAN SHARES BY VALUES.

  • THAT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE ANDERSON COOPER