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Ajahn: OK, so since the last talk last Friday, I've been doing my usual practice of flying around
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the place, that's not levitation, that was in Qantas, because I accepted an invitation to
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teach in a conference over in Melbourne, so I was there on Wednesday night and Thursday.
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It was a conference on depression and anxiety, but I'm not going to talk about those things
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because I've talked about them many times, and anyone who's interested in those subjects
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there's lots of talks about those things.
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But interestingly when I was over there with many health professionals working in the area
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of depression and anxiety, many of those professional came up to me and said how grateful
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they were of the talks, which are delivered here on a Friday night and how many
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people actually listen to them regularly.
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So much so they also knew that I take requests for subjects for talks so one of the people over in Melbourne
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said, "There's something you've never talked about and I want you to talk about it next Friday."
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So this is a suggestion, which I got from Melbourne on Thursday night.
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I don't think I have talked about this. It's a bit of an esoteric subject because they asked me to talk
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about the first couple of days after you die.
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What happens to you when you die? I'm not sure if you have any plans for this weekend,
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but just in case... [laughter]
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Ajahn: ...I'm going to tell you what's going to happen. It's going to be based on a number
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of sources. First of all you've got your own meditation. I've got very strong meditation.
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It's not actually memories, it's understanding how the mind works and how it interacts with the
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body. That's a great understanding you get after many many years of meditation.
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You know exactly what's going to happen because you know the nature of the mind, the nature
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of the body. There's a particular type of meditation which I've been teaching for a
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long time now, the Jhanas.
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They're very deep meditations. I've been quite outspoken about what happens. That gives you
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a very good lot of information about what happens when you die. I'm going to mention why afterwards.
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You've also got what we call the evidence-based stories, of people who remember the spaces
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between their lives and there's quite a few people who can remember those spaces between their previous lives.
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They either do this spontaneously or they can have training to remember that time. The
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last piece of evidence which is perhaps the most interesting and the most confirming,
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is those people who have those experiences of dying either in accidents or in an operation,
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floating out of their body, being told it's not their time, coming back again and essentially
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giving you some insight into what happens when you die.
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These aren't just Buddhists, these are ordinary people from many different parts of life, who come
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back with the same stories.
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I am going to bring all those threads together in this talk about, what's going to happen to you when you die.
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It's not something which doesn't relate to your ordinary daily life, because it highlights that
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the most important thing in your life is the attitudes, the way you react to what you have
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to experience from time to time.
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You find with this practice, which we teach here, it's amazing what you can do with any
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situation. You can react in this beautiful, very positive way, yeah positive.
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"What do you mean by positive way?" I mean by making peace, being kind, being gentle
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with these things. Learning from them, accepting them, embracing them, not fighting them, not
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being negative, not being angry, not being afraid.
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All these negative emotions, which you know in your very life, here today, cause incredible
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amount of problems. They are the ones which might cause problems to you, once you die.
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Let's go back to what happens just before you die, because that will inform what happens afterwards.
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Life is a continuum. It doesn't suddenly change.
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When you go to bed at night, you wake up pretty much the same person in the morning, a little
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bit older, but pretty much the same, at least recognizable. You don't morph into something different.
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This is what happens even when you die. There is not a sudden morphing into something terribly
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different. People just before they die... I am talking about slow deaths, of illness, old
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age, sickness, that type of death.
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Not the sudden deaths, but it's a general and very slow turning off of the body, and
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with that body what we call the five senses of seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and
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touching. It's as if the body turns off very slowly.
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I have been very fortunate in my life as a monk. I get to do some realy really interesting
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things as a monk. I admire and recommend the lifestyle. I do things that you guys will
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never get to do. It's really exciting.
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Like being with people when they are dying. That's one of my jobs. To see the death just happenning
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as a process. What they take is a life force, which is just a body force, fading away.
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I remember the first time I saw that. It was quite obvious there's no point of death. There's
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no time. You can't say that a person died at 8:09. That's what the clock says over there.
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It's a whole process which happens over many minutes.
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The death process starts, the doctor said, "It's now finished," and it happened somewhere
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in between. It's not a point, it's a process. That's very important to understand.
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This whole life is a process. It's not an event. When you understand that you understand
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also that if it's a process, that process can continue on. It doesn't suddenly stop.
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What does stop is these five senses disappear. In other words, no seeing, no smelling, no
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tasting, no touching, no feeling.
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That's how we find out if a person's dead. We poke them, we kick them, we shout in their
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ear. "You still alive?" See if there's anything happening in their body.
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A lot of times, what nurses do, or doctors do, they open the eyes and put a light in
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their eyes to see if there's any physical reaction. See if there's any response. Can they actually see.
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One of the things I know from meditation is, that's also what happens when you get into
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some deep meditation. Your five senses disappear.
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Many of you who've got close to that, you're sitting down meditating, you can't feel your
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hands, you can't feel your legs, OK, your body's disappearing. Great, that's what's supposed to happen.
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In meditation you're not dying. You can come out afterwards fully alive. In death this
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is almost like a permanent fading away of the senses. At least in meditation you get
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a feeling of what it's like.
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Number one, when your body starts to disappear in meditation, it feels good. It feels bloody
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good. I don't mind using expletives, because that's what it feels like.
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I don't know about you, but I'm getting old now. This is my 60th year. You get all sorts
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of aches and pains. I don't know what it's like to be 65, 70, 75, 80, like some of you
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guys in here, but it gets worse.
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I know my body's going to be more achy, more things wrong with it, and it's just so nice
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to get rid of the body, and have a break from it.
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When your body starts to disappear, you feel this wonderful pleasure of freedom. You have
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no aches, no pains. When I was meditating a few minutes ago, I had no irritation in my throat at all.
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This has been bugging me for the last couple of weeks. Ever since I came back from Indonesia.
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I think it's a bit of an allergy, so please please please be kind to me, and don't give me any medicines.
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Last week I got some much medicines, and people put on the Internet that I was sick, and,
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God, I got too much medicine. Please don't do that to me. I've got a whole chemist shop.
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[laughs] Leave me alone.
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It fixes up by itself. One of the things I noticed in meditation a few minutes ago, all
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the irritation totally vanished.
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It was wonderful. You're free, and just didn't have any irritation to worry about. This is
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what happens when the body starts to disappear. You feel this beautiful sense of ease and freedom.
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You got no business to do with seeing things, smelling, tasting. Many of you will know,
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in your own meditation, doesn't matter if it's very deep or it's shallow yet, you get
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deep eventually. Just give it time. The one thing which keeps irritating you, most of all in
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meditation, is the sound.
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Now like Brolly's [?] kid crying outside in the beginning, or somebody else
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making a noise, or coughing. You know that's why that we use alarm clocks to wake you up
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in the morning?
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Even the Buddha recognized, and this is one of his teachings, that sound is the last of
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the five senses to turn off. When you're dying, it's the sound that's the last thing which
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disappears. That's the way you can actually get into people's minds, and get them out of meditation.
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I remember some time ago there was a guy, we'd just finished a retreat over in North Perth,
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it was one of my monk disciples, he was in a deep meditation. We were cleaning up.
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We left him there, but then we were cleaning up, and it was time to go. He was still sitting
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there. It was my job to try to get him out of the meditation.
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Of course, you don't shake him. He won't feel any shakes. You talk in his ear, and get him
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out that way. Sound is the last of the fives senses which disappears.
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Understanding that, in the process of dying, if a person's in a coma, if you think they're
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about to go, speak to them because of all those five senses that is the one which is
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the most likely they will hear.
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Forget about shaking them or touching them. Sound is the last of the senses to disappear
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and many of you will know that when you meditate so this is evidence based.
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They just start to disappear, the five senses, and when they so disappear there is a great
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feeling of relief and ease and peace because the body is irritating.
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Imagine what it's like when you're really sick and dying. That's really a heavy time. Fortunately, though,
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that in our modern medicines you know we get dosed up usually with Morphine. Many Buddhists
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have asked me that's terrible I want to be there when I die, this is an important time in my life .
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I don't want to be in this dull state, but you don't have to worry about that, take that
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Morphine because what happens during the dying process, that the mind, this sixth sense usually
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uses your brain, but it doesn't have to use the brain
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once the brain stops and the brain dies. In other words, your mind does not need that
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brain anymore. It can be free from the brain and what actually happens in the last minutes or two
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sometimes more, sometimes less of your life, you get clarity.
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I was talking about this about my mother in London, because she's got complete Alzheimer's
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Disease. Two years ago, a year and half ago when I went see her she just cannot recognize
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me, she didn't know who I am.
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I was with her for two years, sorry for two hours, talking to her, being with her she didn't
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know who I was. Although, strangely out the blue in two hours with all the talk she said,
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she mentioned the word monastery.
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Which was really weird and my brother picked up on that. It was totally out of context with everything
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else she was saying, but it was something in there that obviously knew that there was something
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monastic there, you know with the person that she was with.
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For people who have such bad Alzheimer's Disease in their last minutes of their life they will be
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clear, they will wake up, they will remember everything because that's the nature of your mind.
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It uses the brain for most of your life, but it does not have to use the brain. And in
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that last few moments of life it separates from the brain.
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I remember first reading about that when I was a student. I remember in the reading widely
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in literature and I use to read Tolstoy and he said one of these stories and it was a
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fascinating story, because it was over 100 years ago.
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There was a story of a person, quite a wealthy person, in a country house who had this sickness
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and who was in pain constantly, moaning and screaming. Literally 24 hours a day, would
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not sleep. It was driving all the people in the house crazy.
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Imagine you're in a house and there's someone moaning and screaming in pain, and there's
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nothing you can do about it. Being wealthy they tried to get all sorts of therapy, homeopaths,
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allopaths, everything, but nothing could relieve this person's pain.
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Tolstoy, beautiful writer, was describing the emotions of the people who had
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to deal with this for many weeks. At the end of the story he mentioned that everything
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suddenly went quiet in the house, but the man hadn't died yet.
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For 5 or 10 minutes he was free of pain. Clear, lucid. Before he passed away. That's so common
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and I'm not sure if there are any doctors or nurses who have witnessed that, I have
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witnessed that the last few moments of a person's life are clear.
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There's a person who comes here regularly I'm not sure if they're here tonight. They told
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of me the story that they were with their father, here in Perth, he was dying and she
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was with her sister. They were sitting on either side of the bed holding their father's hand.
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He was in a coma and hadn't spoken for many, many hours or a day or two I'm not sure.
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They were just waiting for him to die, waiting for that last breath to come out and not
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come in again, holding his hand. Of course you never know when that moment is going to happen.
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I've been there with people and sometimes you're waiting there for hours. They seem
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as if their last breath and you think that's it and suddenly they breathe in again. In
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this particularly case it was his last breath, he stopped breathing, but then he opened his eyes.
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He leaned up from his bed and looked around at his two daughters on either side. They
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said that without any plan, they said in perfect synchronicity we love you dad.
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Then he closed his eyes and passed away. But what really we took their, took them by surprise
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was that even though he had been in a coma for such a long time, even though he was not
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supposed to see or feel, for the last minute, he did. He looked them in the eye and they
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could speak to him their last words.
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There was even a better example which was in the "TIME" magazine of all things. Article
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on the mind. This was the most amazing time when the mind separated from the brain.
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The thing here was we did have a copy of this in our monastery I think 2009 or 10 or something,
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January edition TIME magazine of the mind, but anyways there's a doctor over in the United
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States was treating a person with a brain tumor.
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It was a very aggressive tumor. He was in hospital waiting for the end in a coma for
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many days, because apparently the brain tumor grows and take over the other parts of the
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brain, until there's nothing left for a person to be able to speak or higher brain function disappear.
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Eventually the last part of the brain is just used for keeping the body alive, for doing the
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basic functions of breathing and keeping the heart going and the other organs going, but
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soon there's no capacity left in the brain to do anything.
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That's when the person dies. The fellow been unconscious for a long time, the doctor told
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them what the prognosis was - you go into this coma and never come out again. But this person did come out.
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He just again opened his eyes, he bent up, but this fellow talked to his family for 15 minutes,
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saying their last goodbyes for 15 minutes he was totally clear before he died.
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The doctor was totally amazed, it couldn't have happened, but it did because by that
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time there's nothing left in the brain to perform such functions.
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I've I told many of you many years ago, Professor John Lorber, about the boy with no brain.
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An honours student in mathematics at Sheffield University, sorry, an honours graduate who had
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a slightly misshaped skull and the doctor gave him a brain scan, a CT scan, and there
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was only one percent cortex there, everything else was missing. Basically as Professor Lorber said,
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he had no brain to speak of.
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There's no way that that small amount left could compensate for everything which was missing.
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When I tell that story, I also want to do research, and I ask people, because his whole head was filled
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with cranial fluid. There's no brain there, no grey matter.
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So I ask people if you can do an experiment and help me. Can you move your head from back
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to forth? See if you can hear any sloshing inside. That must be you as well. You've got
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no brain, it's just cranial fluid.
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That fellow was an honours student in mathematics. Brilliant, normal, had a girlfriend. In every
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which way, you wouldn't know he had no brain.
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How can that work?
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As far as I know, as far as Buddhism knows, your mind, the ability to cognize, to form
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thought, to exercise will, is independent of your body. Especially independent of your brain.
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At the last moments of life, that's what happens.
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Your mind gets free of this brain and this body. So it can become clear. That's very well
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documented as evidence based.
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The last moments of your life you'll be clear. I know the last moments of my mother's life
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she'll be very clear. Now what do you do with those last moments? That's the next thing.
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For those people who have sudden deaths, they experience themselves outside of their
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body looking on. That's evidence based. That's actually what happens.
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Many people have reported what they call NDEs, Near Death Experiences. Going out of their
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body, and being. Having the experience of being able to see, and hear, but without a physical body.