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OK, so I want to talk today a little about human motivation.
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What gets us to care and act, and be active.
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And the starting point,
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especially being in Chicago, close to the University of Chicago,
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in the Economics Department of Chicago.
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I think it is worthwhile to think that our basic idea about human motivation
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is that we think about people like rats.
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People don't like to work.
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If we were left to our own accord what we would be doing,
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we would be on a beach somewhere sipping mojitos...
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And the ony reason we work is because we need to get money,
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so that we can eventually sit on the beach drinking mojitos.
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(Laughter)
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But the basic motivation is to enjoy leisure and not work
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and everything else is just a distraction in order so we can do that.
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And it is a fine model, but we should ask ourselves,
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is this a correct depiction of human motivation
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is this really what gets us to act and to do things.
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And one challenge you can think about is mountain climbing.
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If you look at people who have climbed different mountains
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and their depictions, and histories and stories
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you would think this is the most miserable thing in the world.
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People are cold, and have frostbite
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It's hard to breathe, it's difficult.
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I climbed a little peak in the Himalayas many years ago
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and you would think that you would get to the top,
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and sit there and enjoy the view.
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No! It's cold, it's miserable, you're tired.
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Just go down as fast as possible from that point on. (Laughter)
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And if you think about this behavior
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and say to yourself, here is something that every moment seems like agony,
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it just seems like a punishment
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and people go down, and all they want to do is go up again.
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They want to recover first, but then they want to go up again.
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How does this view fit with our notion
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of people sitting on the beach drinking mojitos?
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It looks like people are either suckers for punishment.
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Right? We want to punish ourselves.
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Or, that what really motivates us is not relaxation,
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it's not comfort, it's other things.
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It's about achievement, it's about conquering,
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it's about pursuing some goal, it's about arriving at some peak.
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I actually became interested in this topic
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when one of my ex-students came to talk to me.
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His name was David, he left university a few years earlier
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and he became a consultant, or some banker on Wall Street.
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And he worked for a big bank
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and he told me that for a few weeks he worked on a big presentation
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for a merger that was going to happen.
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He worked evenings, he worked overtime to create this beautiful presentation
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with statistics and graph and description.
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He was really proud of his work, and he really enjoyed it.
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And then he sent it to his boss, and his boss said,
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"David, great job, the merger is cancelled."
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And he was just devastated!
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And the interesting thing about this
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is that he said that from a functional perspective everything was great.
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Here he was, he did a good job, he enjoyed it while he was doing it,
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his boss appreciated it, and he was certain
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that he would get a raise when the time came
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but at the same time he couldn't care now.
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And he was working on another document now, and just couldn't care to the same degree.
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Now the question is, what happened to him? What is it?
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Everything functional was OK, but something was missing.
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So to look at this I decided to do a couple of little experiments.
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And the experiments we started with were about building Bionicles.
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So, Bionicles are little Lego robots, with about forty pieces,
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and you're going to build them.
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And we got people to come to the Student Center
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and we said, "Hey, why don't you build Legos for money?"
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You want to build the first one? You can get three dollars for it.
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After they finished the first one we asked, "Do you want to build another one?"
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"This one you can get $2.70 for.
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When you've finished this one, do you want another one, for $2.40?"
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$2.10
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$1.80
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And so on at a a diminishing pay rate.
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And people basically had to decide when they want to stop.
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At what time, the money they were getting
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from building Legos was not worth their time.
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And we did this in one of two conditions.
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The first one was just the way I described to you now.
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People build one Lego after another, after another, after another
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and when they finished building all these Legos
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when they finished building each of them,
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we took them, we put them under the desk
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and we told them that when they finished the whole experiment
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we would take them, we would break them back,
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and we would put them back in the boxes for the next participant.
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This is what we call the 'meaningful' condition.
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Not a really big meaning, we are academics, but little meaning. (Laughter)
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The second experiment, we called the Sisyphic condition.
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And in this experiment people started building one Lego
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and when they finished it we took it back from them
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and said: "Do you want to build another one?"
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And if they wanted to build another one we handed them the second one,
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but as they were working on the second one,
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we were taking apart the first one in front of their eyes.
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And then if they wanted to build a third one, we would give them that one back
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So it was a complete recycling.
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And we called this the Sisyphic condition, after Sisyphus,
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who pushed the same rock over the same hill over and over.
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And we can ask ourselves how much of the demotivating
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aspects of Sisyphus come from the fact
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that he pushed the same rock on the same hill
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versus if it was a different hill every time.
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So building something, having it destroyed
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in front of your eyes and building it again
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seems kind of an essential element for being unmotivated
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and here is what we got.
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In a meaningful condition people build about eleven robots
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and in the Sisyphus condition they build seven.
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We also asked other people who did not participate
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in the experiment to predict what would people do.
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How much more would people build in a 'meaningful' condition than in a 'Sisyphic' condition.
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And people predicted correctly but dramatically underestimated the effect.
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People thought that the difference would be about one robot
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but the difference was much, much larger.
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So we all understand that meaning is important
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we just dramatically underestimate how important this is.
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And I will tell you that I recently went to give a talk at a big software company.
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And this was a company where a group of people
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worked for two years designing a particular product,
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and they thought this was the best product for this company.
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And after two years of working on it,
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the week before I came, the CEO cancelled he project
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and I've never seen a group of more demotivated people in my life.
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And they all told me they felt like they were part of this Lego experiment.
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They worked for a long time and something was just destroyed in front of them.
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And I think basically their boss had the same mistake as our prediction experiment
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where he understood that meaning is probably a little bit important,
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but just didn't understand how big it is
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and now he had a group of people who were completely demotivated, and so on.
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Now, there was another interesting part of this experiment
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which is if you look at the correlation between
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how much people love Legos naturally and how much they persisted,
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you would expect that people who love Lego would build a lot
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and people who don't love Lego would build a little;
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there would be some individual difference.
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And indeed there [were] individual differences
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In a meaningful condition people who loved Legos built more
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and people who didn't love them didn't build as many.
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In the Sisyphic condition the correlation was zero,
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which tells me that we basically choked every inch of enjoyment
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people had naturally from Legos.
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People come with a natural appreciation for Legos, some people,
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and we were basically able to crush that...
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(Laughter)
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So, the next experiment we wanted to find out
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what even smaller differences could make.
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So we gave people a sheet of paper with a lot of letters on it and we said,
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"Look for two letters next to each other that are the same,"
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it was a random set and we did the same thing.
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We paid them more for the first sheet, less for the next sheet, and so on.
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And we had three conditions.
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In the first condition, every time you gave me a sheet, if I was the experimenter,
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I would ask you to write your name on the top, I would look at it like this.
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I would say "Aha!" and I would put it on the pile.
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In the next condition you didn't have to write your name.
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I would just take the sheet of paper and, without looking at it,
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I would just put it on the big pile of paper;
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no acknowledgement, just putting it down.
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In the third condition, if you gave me a sheet of paper,
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I immediately took it and shredded it. (Laughter)
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And now the question is how much would people work in those three conditions.
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And what I'm going to show you here is what is the minimum
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amount of money people are willing to work for, right?
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How long did it go, so low amounts of money mean that people enjoy it more.
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So we got the replication on the first result.
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In the acknowledged condition when you say,
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"Aha!" people were willing to work up to $0.15 per page
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really low wages.
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In the shredded condition they wanted twice as much money
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and the question is, what happens in the ignored condition?
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Is the ignored condition like the shredded?
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Is it like the acknowledged? Is it somewhere in the middle?
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It turns out it was very similar to the shredded condition.
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So if you really want to demotivate people shredding their work
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is really good for that. (Laughter)
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But it turns out that simply ignoring them
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gets you a big part of the way, in fact, almost... (Laughter)
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So this was one part of motivation,
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it's about feeling meaning for what you are doing
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and acknowledged and so on, and we mostly did this
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by destroying people's motivation.
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Let's think for a second about the other part,
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that is how we can get people to be more motivated.
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How we can get people to do more
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and, the idea came to me here after going to IKEA
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so I don't know about you, but I like IKEA but every time I get this furniture,
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I find myself that it takes me much longer than I expected to build this
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and the instructions seem confusing.
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I often do a step and then have to backtrack
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and when I have to guess something I think I guess wrong more than 50% of the time.
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Lots of these things, and the thought is:
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Is it that a result of this? Do I love my furniture more?
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The fact that I have to build them, that I create them,
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does that create a particular attachment between me and my furniture?
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I call this the IKEA effect
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And some evidence for this exists from cake mixes.
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So when cake mixes came up in the fifties
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to the surprise of the people who made up the cake mixes
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they were not very popular
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and the question is, why?
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Pie crusts were popular, cookies were popular
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all kinds of other ready mixes were popular, but not cakes.
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And one of the theories was maybe people didn't have to do much for these cakes
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maybe if you take a mix and add some water
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put it in the oven and then make it
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and someone says, "What a great cake!," you just can't feel good about it.
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Maybe it was the fact that it didn't require
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as much work that made cake mixes not as appealing.
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This was known as the 'egg theory.'
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And what they did to test it was, they took the eggs out of the cake mix.
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All of a sudden the cake mix was the same,
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you just had to add eggs and some milk to it.
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What happened now? Cake mixes became much more popular.
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Somehow having to put work into something makes it more appealing.
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We decided to try this out,
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so we gave people instructions to do origami
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on the top you have the --
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(Laughter)
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-- on the top you have a list of what all the signs mean
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and then you have a list of instruction of how to do origami
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that is not that easy to do
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and we asked people to do it.
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And what happened? People created stuff
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that didn't really look like what it was supposed to,
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these were not origami experts.
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But if you looked at how much people valued the origami
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there were some auctions and people could bid for it, and so on.
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It turns out that people who did not build the origami
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thought it wasn't that exciting,
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and people who built the origami thought it was just fantastic.
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People who built the origami thought it was great.
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But, moreover, people who built the origami
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when we asked them to predict how much the other people valued this origami
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they thought they would value them as much as they did.
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So what happened is that the people who build the origami
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not only thought it was wonderful,