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  • the US has put forward this proposal of a transitional and interim government in which the Taliban would play some role.

  • You see that as a positive development, peace can only come through such an original.

  • If, uh, the Taliban and the republic side want to end hostilities, there are only two ways for that.

  • One is that the Taliban agreed to joined the current government.

  • Taliban don't agree to that, then the only other option is a transitional arrangement in which both sides agree on a functioning system and then, through that functional system, work for the amendment of the Constitution.

  • At the moment, the president guy, he says there needs to be elections.

  • You can't just conjure up a government out of no.

  • Where is he?

  • Does he need to be more flexible?

  • You think?

  • Well, for for peace, of course, we all need to be very, very flexible.

  • Uh, for all of us, the country and the life of four people should be the priority.

  • He wants an election.

  • If the Taliban ability that is good enough for us doesn't seem to be any sign that that doesn't happen.

  • Then what do we do?

  • We agree with him that there must be an election.

  • But if that doesn't happen, that we allow the country to keep staying in this very unfortunate conflict.

  • No.

  • In that case, it's upon all of us, including President.

  • I need to think of an alternative.

  • And once you step away from transition governed by elections, you don't know when you're going to see it again.

  • The Afghan people want democratic.

  • We are, simply think, talking of a period in which an arrangement can be made for all the Afghanistan's to get together and form a unity and through that unity, a functioning order to take us to the to the to the next democratic order.

  • There seems no indication that the Taliban are willing to accept democratic elections, whether it's now or whether it's in two years time.

  • Do you think I have had no indication that they will say no to elections?

  • Elections are very much Islamic.

  • If that's the concern, interim or transitional arrangement, could you Do you envisage your role for yourself, perhaps another presidency for yourself?

  • No, no, no, not at all.

  • I've had 14 years of my time in office, and that's plenty enough.

  • You seem quite categorical, very category.

  • Very, very categorical.

  • What I'm working for.

  • It's not politics on a political role.

  • What you're working for is peace.

  • For our people, it seems almost inevitable.

  • There will have to be at least some rolling back of the progress made on women's rights in order to bring the Taliban into any kind of power sharing arrangement.

  • Not Mrs Harland.

  • How can we not allow Afghan women to be part of our political and social life?

  • They are, and they will be.

  • And then if we're looking at retaining democratic elections, retaining women's rights, as we currently have them all things that many in the international community and many people here in Afghanistan would, of course, welcome.

  • What is it that is being offered to the Taliban that's going to bring them in from the outside?

  • In Pakistan, women have the best opportunities for education.

  • Bangladesh is an Islamic countries and Muslim countries.

  • They have had two prime ministers who that has not taken away the Islamic character.

  • So nor will that happen in Afghanistan.

  • And how worried are you about the prospect of American troops withdrawing by May?

  • The first before any kind of agreement is done.

  • If no agreement is done, they shouldn't.

  • The Americans want to withdraw and withdraw completely.

  • Insp.

  • Irresponsible in making sure that there's no chaos or that things don't go from bad to worse and that they must work with the major powers in the countries of the region to get that done, which they I see now they're doing.

  • But if they want to stay in Afghanistan beyond right, you know, may 1st into the long term in any form.

  • That, too, has to be responsible.

  • Isn't the danger that if America stays on beyond May the first, then violence will escalate even further?

  • The Taliban will see it as a breach of the Doha agreement and resort to attacking international forces and perhaps these terrible, large scale suicide bombings in the cities?

  • I hope not.

  • I hope not.

  • I hope not to not be calling upon the Taliban or brothers countrymen not to do that, that the damage will only be to Afghanistan and Afghans, and I would say the same to the Afghan government.

  • Many people often draw comparisons between the Soviet withdrawal and the possible with US withdrawal.

  • Now, of course, that one was followed by awful violence.

  • Do you see that comparison?

  • Do you fear that history repeating itself if things are not taken care of?

  • If intentions are not good, of course that will happen.

  • But we, as Afghan must, must not allow that.

  • And we also hope that our neighbors and big powers should not do that because the consequences of that will not only be for us, but it will reach them as well.

  • Your your overall tone seems relatively optimistic or guarded.

  • Optimism is that fair to say.

  • But when I speak to so many other people here, they seem much more pessimistic.

  • But when I'm optimistic, I've always been optimistic.

  • I wouldn't give up being optimistic.

  • What, what, what what is do we have?

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    林宜悉 posted on 2021/03/19
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