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  • my God admitted it would be Jamis.

  • Winston, Um, Cam Newton.

  • I appreciate what he's done in his career, and I'm not trying to say that it's over.

  • I'm just basically saying, Last year you threw eight touchdowns, a 10 interceptions.

  • Now I know that has a lot to do with you being bereft weapons in New England, which is a Bill Belichick problem, more so than it is his.

  • I get all of that.

  • But what I look at James Winston.

  • I got the 30 interceptions.

  • I got him putting new meaning that 30 for 30.

  • I got all of that.

  • But the last time we saw his brother's a starting quarterback, he did throw for 5000 yards.

  • He did throw 33 touchdowns.

  • Now he was a mistake waiting to happen, and we get all of that.

  • But he was also somebody that could make things happen as well.

  • And so when I look at it from that perspective, we're not saying the same things about Cam Newton Right now.

  • He can't run the ball the way that he used to, because he's not the athlete that he once was, because he's been beating up age and attrition.

  • We appreciate what he's done.

  • He's a former league M V P.

  • Uh.

  • He's been in the least for 10 years.

  • Um, he's got in the team to a Super Bowl.

  • We know the talent that he has possessed.

  • But age and attrition can beat you up.

  • And I think that's something that we have to pay attention to.

  • And if what we have to go on is the last time we saw these two dudes as a starting quarterback, you have to ask yourself a simple question.

  • Even with the 30 interceptions, Do you want to go the route of a Jamis Winston, who to for over 5000 yards and 33 touchdowns?

  • Or do you wanna go to Route of Cam Newton?

  • Um, that that, to me, is the question.

  • I'm not saying Cam Newton has finished, and I certainly again want to reiterate that that kid that got that was talking to him the way that he did it was incredibly disrespectful.

  • The way that he talked to Cam Newton, you know, most people would that that, you know, would never achieve what Cam Newton has achieved in their lifetime on any level.

  • Most people would not do what Cam Newton has done.

  • You show that man in respect and deference he deserves, particularly if you're a high school kid in a football player who may never, ever be the player that Cam Newton once waas.

  • But in fairness, you know Thio, James Winston's of the world.

  • If I'm comparing the two right now, all I got to go on.

  • Max is the last time I saw them both throwing the football.

  • You know how big I am about that?

  • And I just think that Jamis Winston would be the better option at this point in time.

  • Well, if you go look, the answer is Cam Newton.

  • I'd rather have can, then James next season as my starting quarterback.

  • Now, I'm not even gonna go through the career argument, Stephen, because you're talking about the last time we saw them.

  • What could we expect from them this year?

  • But it is somewhat relevant.

  • The fact that Cam Newton, at one point in his career, was voted by his peers the year he won M v p and took his team to the Super Bowl by his peers in the middle of Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers prime.

  • That's the best player in football.

  • Other football players said that the voters said that, and it was the truth.

  • He was once the best player in football for a year.

  • Okay, When last seen healthy in environment in which he was familiar in a normal season, Cam Newton was a better passer than he was the year he was considered the best player in the world.

  • Right North.

  • Turner was the offensive coordinator.

  • You and I have discussed that.

  • I'm not even gonna usually really use that as the basis of my argument.

  • But it's in there somewhere.

  • It should be.

  • Unless if you really think he's not finished, then stuff like that is what What's the highest height Jameis Winston's ever hit?

  • Nothing like Cam Newton's so Kamut his best was a better quarterback.

  • But as you said, the question is, when last seen, this is actually a very good kind of subject because think about it like this.

  • Tom Brady was in New England.

  • He looked around and said, I can't do anything with this got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs, so he goes to Tampa because they're so loaded and wins the Super Bowl, going from first round KO loss in the playoffs to winning the Super Bowl because he went from New England's situation to Tampa's.

  • Now, who are the other quarterbacks who quarterbacked in New England and Tampa, most recently other than Tom Brady?

  • It just so happens to be Cam Newton and Jameis Winston.

  • And what did they do?

  • What was the record off their teams?

  • Because when we look at the numbers and everything, that's just means to an end.

  • Can you lead your team?

  • Toe wins?

  • Actually, they both went seven and nine.

  • James went seven and nine in the loaded team that Tom Brady won a Super Bowl with Cam went seven and nine in the team that Tom Brady got knocked out in the first round and left because the situation was no good and James was healthy when he played in Tampa, Cam came off of catastrophic injury, missed a year into a covert dear, couldn't practice with his teammates, got co vid himself facilities, were shut down, couldn't practice even Mawr and still went seven and nine and Stephen A.

  • Not only did he go seven and nine, Heat nine, he beat a whole bunch of really good teams.

  • So not only is their height in their career can hit a much greater height than Jamis, but most recently in terms of the teams, like where you can directly compare them.

  • Cam had a better effect on the team than Jamie's same team.

  • Tom Brady left same record as Jamous seven and nine.

  • I don't disagree with that, Max.

  • I'm just saying that at the end of the day, I'm watching can throw the football, and I've been very, very consistent with with this throughout cams career.

  • Um, I think he's only thrown more for better than 60% of his passes, only completed better than 60% of his passes two or three years in his entire career.

  • Okay, he's been in the league for 10 years.

  • He's not an accurate throw off the football, and that's what I pay attention to.

  • Now, obviously, with Jameis Winston's 30 interceptions, they are what they are.

  • I'm just looking at Cam Newton, and I'm thinking about the years that he was running with the football.

  • Ron Rivera told him to slow that down because obviously you're going to subject yourself to unusual punishment, and that's not necessary in terms of the longevity of your career.

  • Once that's taken into consideration, I'm looking at Jamis.

  • Winston, you got a fresh arm.

  • I'm also looking at him being coached by Bruce Areas.

  • Now we appreciate what Bruce Areas done has done this year.

  • We certainly appreciate the staff that he has assembled.

  • We get all of that.

  • But in the end, Bruce Barriers has never been confused with being Bill Belichick.

  • And the system that camp new and went into plays a role as well, because sometimes with him and Josh McDaniels, who are Super Bowl championships, 345 times over and Bill Belichick case eight.

  • Uh, you gotta think about all of those things taking into consideration as well before you make that assertion.

  • And in my mind I'm just looking at my eyes and I'm saying, in terms of a throw off the football Cam Newton cock and his head back the release not being that quick, his throws not being that accurate for me from the quarterback position as a thrower off the football.

  • I think Cam Newton is an all world athlete.

  • I've never confused him with being in a world thrower off the football.

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