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  • ♪♪♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY!

  • WE'RE BACK WITH THE AUTHOR OF "HOW TO AVOID A CLIMATE

  • DISASTER," BILL GATES.

  • GOVERNOR ABBOTT DOWN IN TEXAS SAYS THEIR PROBLEM WAS GREEN

  • ENERGY DOWN IN TEXAS.

  • THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T HAVE POWER, SO THE WATER SYSTEM SHUT

  • DOWN AND THE HEATERS SHUT DOWN AND THE PIPES BURST.

  • WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BLAME GREEN ENERGY

  • FOR THERE LATEST CRISIS?

  • >> WELL, THE PROBLEM WAS THEY DIDN'T WEATHERIZE ANY OF THEIR

  • POWER SOURCES, SO NATURAL GAS SHUT DOWN, AND THAT WAS THE

  • BIGGEST THING.

  • THE WIND SHUTTING DOWN WAS A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE, AND THAT

  • WAS JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T WEATHERIZED IT.

  • EVEN NORTH DAKOTA HAS WIND THAT WORKS AT COLD TEMPERATURES.

  • THERE ARE TWO REALLY VALID POINTS HERE, THOUGH, WHICH IS

  • WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OF THESE CRAZY WEATHER EVENTS, EVEN

  • COLD ONES LIKE THAT, BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, AND, AS WE MAKE

  • THE GRID CLEAN, IT IS -- IT WILL BE A CHALLENGE TO KEEP IT

  • RELIABLE BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE LOTS OF CASES WHERE THERE'S NOT

  • MUCH SUN OR WIND, SO WE HAVE TO INNOVATE TO BE ABLE TO STORE

  • ENERGY OR USE A WEATHER-INDEPENDENT GREEN SOURCE

  • LIKE NUCLEAR.

  • >> Stephen: OKAY.

  • WELL, I MEAN, PEOPLE LOOK AT NUCLEAR A LITTLE ASKANCE, AND

  • I'M SURE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY.

  • THERE HAVE BEEN NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS.

  • I'M NOT SURE IF YOU SAW H.B.O.'S SHEERS CHERNOBYL, BUT IT WAS A

  • BIT CHILLING, ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THERE WOULD BE A

  • LARGE HUNK OF EASTERN EUROPE WOULD NOT BE INHABITABLE FOR

  • SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS.

  • IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO NUCLEAR POWER SAFELY?

  • >> ABSOLUTELY.

  • WE NEED A NEW DESIGN.

  • THE RECORD, DESPITE CHERNOBYL, DESPITE WHAT COAL HAS DONE TO

  • PEOPLE'S HEALTH AND COAL MINUS AND NATURAL GAS PIPELINES

  • BLOWING UP, IT'S QUITE GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

  • SO WE NEED TO START FROM SCRATCH AND HAVE A REACTOR THAT THE

  • OPERATES CAN NEVER MESS UP, THAT NO MATTER WHAT, THE RADIOACTIVE

  • STUFF STAYS ON SITE, AND I'M INVOLVED IN A COMPANY THAT JUST

  • GOT A U.S. GOVERNMENT CONTRACT TO PROVE THAT THERE'S THIS NEW

  • SUPER SAFE GENERATION.

  • >> Stephen: UM, NOT TO PUSH BACK AGAINST SOMEONE WHO KNOWS

  • MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO, BUT ISN'T THE DANGER WITH NUCLEAR

  • REACTORS NOT SO MUCH THAT OTHER FORMS OF ENERGY DON'T KILL

  • PEOPLE IN THE LONG RUN, BUT THAT A LARGE CHUNK OF THE PLANET

  • DOESN'T BECOME UNINHABITABLE AS A RESULT OF AN ACCIDENT WHEN

  • NUCLEAR RADIATION IS SPREAD LIKE A POISONOUS SAUCE OVER UKRAINE?

  • >> NO, THE CHERNOBYL WAS A HUGE DISASTER, AND, YOU KNOW, THE

  • RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL SPREAD OUT OF THE REACTOR, AND, YOU KNOW,

  • PEOPLE HAD TO LEAVE THAT AREA.

  • AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE STUFF IN THE REACTOR.

  • IT IS, YOU KNOW -- IT -- THE HISTORY IS CLEAR, BUT, GOING

  • FORWARD, PEOPLE SHOULD JUST HAVE AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE YOU WANT A

  • GREEN SOURCE OF ENERGY THAT'S NOT WEATHER DEPENDENT, AND

  • NUCLEAR IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAS A CHANCE OF SCALING THAT

  • WELL, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M AMAZED AT THE BRILLIANT THINGS PEOPLE

  • HAVE COME UP WITH TO BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE THIS, AND NOW WE CAN

  • SIMULATE ALL THE BAD THINGS THAT MGHT HAPPEN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE

  • ROBUST.

  • >> Stephen: AT 65 YEARS OLD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO

  • SAY TO THIS GUY FROM 37 YEARS AGO?

  • YOU SEE THIS FELLOW RIGHT HERE?

  • >> YEAH, HE WAS A MAD MAN.

  • HE WORKED ALL THE TIME.

  • HE DIDN'T THINK OLD PEOPLE HAD ANY GOOD IDEAS, SO I WOULD TELL

  • THEM TO MELLOW ON THAT ONE.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) >> Stephen: ARE THERE ANY

  • THINGS YOU WOULD SAY LIKE, DON'T DO THAT, DON'T PURSUE THAT

  • PROJECT?

  • IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD WAVE HIM OFF.

  • >> BE NICE TO THE GOVERNMENT.

  • >> Stephen: BE NICE TO THE GOVERNMENT?

  • WHY?

  • WAS THIS GUY JUST A LITTLE CREEP TO THE GOVERNMENT?

  • >> NO, NO, HE EVENTUALLY GOT INTO AN ANTITRUST TRIAL.

  • >> Stephen: OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

  • THAT'S RIGHT.

  • AND WAS HE RIGHT OR WRONG FOR DEFENDING HIS ACTIONS?

  • >> UH, I'M TOO BIASED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

  • >> Stephen: YOU'RE IMMINENTLY FAIR TO YOURSELF.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) WELL, BILL, THANK YOU SO MUCH

  • FOR BEING HERE.

  • >> WELL, THANKS.

  • GREAT TO TALK TO YOU.

  • >> Stephen: I WAS WAITING FOR A THANKS BACK.

  • THAT'S ALL.

  • CAN'T BELIEVE HOW HARD I HAD TO FISH FOR THAT ONE.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) HOW DO AVOID A CLIMATE DISASTER

  • IS AVAILABLE NOW.

  • BILL GATES, EVERYBODY.

  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A PERFORMANCE BY "TUNE-YARDS."

  • ♪♪♪

♪♪♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY!

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