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  • ♪♪♪ >> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,

  • EVERYBODY.

  • MY NEXT GUESTS ARE TWO INCREDIBLY TALENTED ARTISTS WHO

  • ARE THE PERFORMER AND DIRECTOR OF THE NEW FILM "IN AND OF

  • ITSELF."

  • PLEASE WELCOME TO "A LATE SHOW," DEREK DELGAUDIO AND FRANK OZ!

  • HEY, GUYS!

  • THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE!

  • >> HEY, STEPHEN.

  • GREAT TO BE HERE.

  • >> Stephen: NOW LITTLE CATCH-UP FOR THE AUDIENCE WHO

  • DIDN'T SEE LAST TIME DEREK WAS ON TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO --

  • IT'S BEEN A WHILE NOW -- >> YEAH.

  • >> Stephen: -- I CAME TO SEE THE SHOW THAT YOU CREATED AND

  • THAT FRANK DIRECTED "IN AND OF ITSELF" AT THE DARRELL ROTH

  • THEATER HERE IN NEW YORK.

  • EVIE AND I WERE SO BLOWN AWAY BY IT THAT WE WERE EAGER TO HELP

  • YOU MAKE IT INTO A FILM SO EVERYONE COULD SEE IT.

  • I WANTED THIS THING NOT ONLY TO BE PRESERVED BUT FOR EVERYONE TO

  • GET A CHANCE TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE.

  • YOU AND I DID NOT DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING WHAT THAT SHOW

  • WAS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE

  • AWAY.

  • FRANK, I'M GOING TO HIT YOU HERE.

  • CAN YOU DO A BETTER JOB OF EXPLAINING WHAT THIS MOVIE IS

  • THAN WE DID IN EXPLAINING WHAT THAT PLAY IS?

  • WHAT'S IT ABOUT?

  • >> WELL, HERE'S THE THING -- I MEAN, IF I GIVE YOU MY OPINION

  • OR MY FEELING OVERWHAT IT'S ABOUT, IT'S A BETRAYAL OF THE

  • INTENT OF WHAT WE DID.

  • >> Stephen: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

  • THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DESCRIBE THIS FILM OR THIS PLAY.

  • FRANK, THANKS FOR STOPPING BY, EVERYBODY.

  • DEREK, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

  • FRANK, ALWAYS A JOY TO SEE YOU.

  • >> AND YET, WHAT, TO ME, WHAT IS VALUABLE FOR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS

  • TO GO SEE SOMETHING IS THE MYSTERY OF IT AND THE INTRIGUE

  • OF NOT KNOWING WHAT IT IS.

  • >> Stephen: I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT YOU ON THAT ONE BECAUSE

  • IT'S TRUE.

  • THE PLAY WAS MYSTERIOUS, THIS MOVIE IS MYSTERIOUS AND IN SOME

  • WAYS IT IS ABOUT THE MYSTERY OF IDENTITY, AND, DEREK, WHY WAS IT

  • IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO CREATE A PIECE OF ART THAT WAS ABOUT

  • IDENTITY?

  • WHAT DID THAT MEAN TO YOU?

  • >> I MEAN, I THINK, LIKE ANYONE, I STRUGGLE WITH WHO I AM AND

  • WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO IN THIS WORLD AND FOUND MYSELF MAKING

  • DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT I THOUGHT OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT

  • EXPECT OF ME OR HOW THEY MIGHT SEE ME OR THE WORK THAT I DO,

  • AND I DECIDED, INSTEAD OF LETTING THAT KIND OF AFFECT ME

  • IN A WAY THAT WAS NEGATIVE, I DECIDED TO RUN TOWARDS THE FIRE

  • AND MAKE SOMETHING THAT DIVES HEAD-FIRST INTO THAT PROBLEM AND

  • MAKE A SHOW ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AND BE SEEN AND SEEING

  • OTHERS, MOSTLY.

  • >> Stephen: I MEAN, THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE WATCHING

  • IT IS THE GRATITUDE OF -- WELL, AN ARTIST TALKING ABOUT THE

  • STRUGGLE TO BE SEEN AND ALSO THE FAILURE SO OFTEN AS TO SEE OTHER

  • PEOPLE AS THEY TRULY ARE.

  • AND BOTH OF YOU, IN THAT WAY, AS BOTH OF YOU SAID, IDENTITY

  • ITSELF IS AN ILLUSION, AND THIS MOVIE AND THE PLAY ACTUALLY

  • TACKLES THE CHALLENGE OF TALKING ABOUT THAT, WHICH, AS WE'VE

  • PROVEN JUST NOW, IS NOT ALWAYS EASY.

  • BUT BOTH OF YOU HAVE KIND OF AN UNEASY RELATIONSHIP AT TIMES

  • WITH HOW OTHER PEOPLE IDENTIFY YOU.

  • YOU KNOW, DEREK, SOMEONE MIGHT CALL YOU A MAGICIAN, OR, FRANK,

  • SOMEONE MIGHT PIGEON HOLE YOU FROM YOUR WORK WITH THE MUPPETS

  • AS A PUPPETEER.

  • WHY IS THAT UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN PEOPLE PUT IT ON YOU.

  • >> BECAUSE IT'S LIMITING.

  • WHEN I'M CALLED A PUPPETEER OR DEREK CALLED A MAGICIAN, IT'S

  • THE THE PERCEPTION OF THE PUPPPUPPETEER AND WHAT IT MEANS

  • B A PUPPETEER.

  • AND THE PERCEPTION IS THEY PERCEIVE IT TO BE ONE THING, AND

  • THAT HAPPENS TO BE ALWAYS STEREOTYPICAL, AND THAT

  • STEREOTYPICAL VERSION OF WHAT THAT AMERICAN IS ALWAYS

  • LIMITING, AND THAT'S AGAINST THE LAYERS AND COMPLEXITIES AS HUMAN

  • BEINGS AND THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME.

  • >> Stephen: AND, DEREK, WHAT IS THE HESITANCE YOU HAVE WITH

  • THE LABEL OF MAGICIAN?

  • >> IT'S ABOUT, I GUESS, LEGIBILITY FOR THE WORK, AND

  • THAT WORD "MAGIC" OR "MAGICIAN" IT REALLY IS POTENT, AND A LOT

  • OF IMAGERY COMES INTO ONE'S HEAD.

  • I DON'T KNOW EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS.

  • BUT, YES, THERE'S THAT.

  • BUT EVEN THE BEST VERSION OF IT STILL PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM

  • ACTUALLY SEEING OR HEARING WHAT I'M TRYING TO PUT IN FRONT OF

  • THEM, BECAUSE EVEN IF IT ISN'T A PEJORATIVE, IT'S STILL -- IT

  • PUTS SOMETHING IN THEIR MIND THAT SAYS WHAT THE CONTEXT IS

  • ABOUT, THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DECEIVE YOU, AND THIS IS ABOUT

  • ME FOOLING YOU, AND THAT'S THE SOCIAL CONSTRUCT THAT WE HAVE,

  • AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE WORK IS ABOUT FOR ME AT ALL.

  • AND, SO, I GUESS JUST KIND OF TRYING TO GET THEM TO SEE IT

  • WITH FRESH EYES AND NOT HAVE THAT PRECONCEIVED NOTION OF WHAT

  • THEY'RE GOING INTO IS ONE STEP, YOU KNOW -- IT'S THE BEGINNING

  • OF THE PROCESS, GOING TO THIS CLEAN, NOT NECESSARILY ASSUMING

  • WHAT YOU THINK THIS IS OR WHO I AM, IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO

  • ENTER THIS EXPERIENCE.

  • >> AND THERE'S A POSITIVE I THINK, STEPHEN, ABOUT PEOPLE

  • THINKING IT WAS MAGIC BECAUSE THEY COME -- THEY CAME TO A

  • THEATER THINKING IT WAS MAGIC, AND IT TURNS OUT MAGIC WAS THE

  • TROJAN HORSE BECAUSE, AFTER 15 MINUTES OF SAYING, WHOA, WAIT A

  • SECOND, THIS IS A LOT MORE THAN I THOUGHT, AND THEY FORGET ABOUT

  • IT AND THEY'RE MOVED TORE REASONS THEY DON'T -- FOR

  • REASONS THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW.

  • >> Stephen: THAT IS ONE TO HAVE THE STARTLING THINGS ABOUT

  • THIS IS IT'S STORYTELLING, THESE ARE TRUE STORIES ABOUT YOUR LIFE

  • THAT ARE ILLUMINATED THROUGH THESE ILLUSIONS THAT YOU DO.

  • BUT THESE ARE DEEPLY AFFECTING STORIES AND, FOR LACK OF A

  • BETTER WORD, THE ACTUAL MAGIC IS GOING ON INSIDE OF US ABOUT HOW

  • WE PERCEIVE YOU AND HOW ANYONE WATCHING THE FILM PERCEIVES EACH

  • OTHER OR THE AUDIENCE IN THE THEATER WHERE YOU'RE SEEING IT

  • SHOT.

  • EVIE AND I ARE SO PROUD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH OF YOU, AND

  • THIS IS POSSIBLY THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING THAT I HAVE HAD

  • ANY PART IN MAKING, IN THAT SMALL WAY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO

  • HELP YOU.

  • AND AS I ALWAYS DO TO PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME, I AM URGING

  • YOU TO GO SEE IT BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY IS A FILM OF THIS

  • MOMENT, AND IT IS A REMINDER THAT WE CAN ALL BE A BETTER

  • COMMUNITY, A BETTER COUNTRY, A BETTER HUMANITY, IF WE JUST SEE

  • EACH OTHER, AND THAT'S THE TRUE MAGIC OF WHAT DEREK AND FRANK

  • HAVE CREATED HERE IS THAT IT OPENS OUR EYES TO EACH OTHER AND

  • TO OURSELVES, AND THAT'S A LIBERATING FEELING.

  • >> AND THIS IS THE TIME FOR THAT, ACTUALLY.

  • >> Stephen: "IN AND OF ITSELF" PREMIERES TOMORROW ON HULU.

  • DEREK DELGAUDIO AND FRANK OZ, EVERYBODY.

  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

♪♪♪ >> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,

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Derek DelGaudio & Frank Oz Want You To Experience The Mystery And Intrigue Of "In And Of Itself"

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    林宜悉 posted on 2021/01/22
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