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  • -My next guest is an MSNBC anchor

  • and NBC News correspondent,

  • a "New York Times" best-selling author,

  • and the host of "MSNBC Live," which airs weekdays at 2:00 p.m.

  • Here to break down today's events, please welcome Katy Tur.

  • Katy, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us.

  • -Hey there, Jimmy. Thanks for having me.

  • -I want to mention that we're talking

  • a couple hours before air,

  • but let's break down what we know so far.

  • You were on "MSNBC Live" earlier this afternoon.

  • I was watching you covering

  • what was supposed to be the big news of the day,

  • the results of the runoff election in Georgia

  • and the electoral vote count.

  • And then Trump supporters broke into the Capitol.

  • Can you give us your perspective on what it was like

  • to watch all this unfold?

  • -Listen, we knew it was going to be a wild day.

  • We knew it was potentially going to be a day full of conflict.

  • But as we were watching, we saw the initially protesters

  • storm the steps of the Capitol and reach an area

  • that they're not allowed to be, the top of the Capitol steps.

  • And then suddenly, Chuck was in an interview with somebody,

  • and on the right-hand side of the screen,

  • I saw Mike Pence get rushed out of the Senate chamber,

  • and then suddenly a lot of people getting up on the dais

  • and telling everybody that we couldn't see, the senators,

  • to get down, and you immediately realize this was a lot more

  • than just a protest outside, that things were getting

  • extremely dangerous, and it just spiraled from there, Jimmy.

  • It's hard to put into words how quickly it all happened,

  • but suddenly we were seeing images of protesters

  • getting pepper-sprayed.

  • They quickly turned into rioters.

  • And then storming the Capitol and taking over the House floor,

  • the Senate floor, going into Nancy Pelosi's office.

  • At one point, we saw a woman

  • get wheeled out in a stretcher, bleeding.

  • It's an image that I don't think I'm ever going to get rid of

  • in my brain and turns out she was shot, Jimmy,

  • and she's since passed.

  • -Oh, my goodness.

  • You must have had insider and colleagues inside the Capitol.

  • Were you hearing from them at all?

  • -You know, it was interesting.

  • We were talking to Jake Sherman,

  • who is one of our longtime colleagues,

  • now started a newsletter called "Punchbowl,"

  • and he initially -- he's been covering the Capitol forever --

  • he initially was kind of laughing off what was happening.

  • And, you know, they're used to lockdowns there.

  • There's always a lockdown on the Capitol,

  • and very quickly he started realizing

  • that oh, no, this is not just a lockdown.

  • We had a producer, Haley Talbot,

  • who was I believe on the House floor or in the gallery above,

  • and she was kneeling with lawmakers and praying with them

  • as the doors were barricaded, guns were drawn.

  • It was such a scary situation.

  • She was talking about how she called her parents

  • to tell them that she was okay.

  • Absolute insanity.

  • -What do you make of President Trump's statement?

  • I know that Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube have all deleted

  • the video from their sites.

  • -I thought it was dangerous.

  • It added fuel to the fire.

  • It was shameful.

  • He went out there and he said,

  • "Everyone knows the election is fraudulent."

  • I almost thought it was something

  • that was airing from the past,

  • that it couldn't be something that he was saying today.

  • But, of course, it was something that he was saying today.

  • He's proven himself to be who he is, and this is what he did.

  • He stoked it even further.

  • He was telling protesters, the rioters, to go home.

  • But he was also saying that what they were doing

  • was justified and righteous,

  • which is not sending the message to go home.

  • It's sending the message

  • to stay and keep doing what you're doing.

  • -Yeah, didn't he also send out tweets saying

  • that he was going to march with them at one point?

  • -He was on -- At the rally, and he was speaking to supporters

  • and he was saying "let's go down Pennsylvania Avenue,

  • let's march on the Capitol," and that's what they did.

  • He went back to the White House, the safety of the White House.

  • -What does he -- What does Biden have to do

  • to let Trump supporters know that --

  • to convince them that this wasn't fraudulent?

  • Is it possible?

  • -I don't think there's anything he can do.

  • Listen, I think there's two camps here.

  • I think there are Trump supporters who know very well

  • that the election was fair.

  • They just don't like the results,

  • and so they're using this as an excuse.

  • They're angry.

  • And then there are Trump supporters who truly believe

  • that it wasn't fair, and you can't convince them.

  • There's nothing you can do.

  • I had a conversation with a psychology professor at NYU

  • over the summer, talking about conspiracy theories

  • because there were so many surrounding the election

  • even before it happened.

  • And I asked him how do you take down a conspiracy theory?

  • How do you push back?

  • And he said the more you push back,

  • the more you fact-check it,

  • the more people believe the conspiracy,

  • so there just really isn't anything you can do.

  • I think it's -- I think it's a lost cause.

  • It's about building back after this and then trying to minimize

  • that influence and minimize those voices.

  • -Yeah.

  • Inauguration day is around the corner.

  • How will today's events affect the inauguration?

  • What have you heard?

  • -I don't know what inauguration is going to look like.

  • That is an open question people are discussing right now.

  • The rioters scaled the scaffolding

  • where the inauguration will be held.

  • The idea of Joe Biden standing there and being able to do so

  • safely is a big question right now.

  • You have to imagine it's going to look something

  • like a police state.

  • How could it not? -Yeah.

  • What did you think of

  • President-elect Biden's remarks today?

  • -I thought it was somebody who was sober,

  • who was angry about what he was seeing,

  • depressed about what he was seeing,

  • trying to cool things off.

  • I mean, it was the absolute opposite

  • from what we saw from President Trump.

  • -Well, what happens next?

  • What's the big picture?

  • How do we move forward as a country?

  • -You know, I think it's going to be really difficult.

  • There are voices, very loud, prominent, influential voices,

  • that have spent decades tearing down trust in our institutions,

  • tearing down education, tearing down facts,

  • tearing down the media, et cetera,

  • and you don't build that back overnight.

  • It takes a lot of work, and it's an effort

  • that involves everybody in this country from our lawmakers

  • to individual voices on social media

  • to influential voices in the media,

  • most importantly, the conservative media,

  • people like Rush Limbaugh, people on Fox News,

  • the ones who have been tearing things down

  • for decades for their own benefit.

  • In order to get past this, in order to get

  • a shared set of values,

  • everybody has got to agree that the sky is blue,

  • that the sky's not on fire.

  • You can disagree on policy all you want,

  • but there needs to be a shared set of facts.

  • There needs to be a reality,

  • one reality, that we're all living in.

  • -Katy Tur, thank you so much for coming by

  • to help us make sense of all this.

  • I appreciate it. I know it was last minute.

  • I know how busy you are, and I really appreciate it.

  • -Thanks for having me. -Katy Tur, everyone.

  • Catch her weekdays at 2:00 p.m. On "MSNBC Live."

-My next guest is an MSNBC anchor

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Katy Tur Breaks Down the Breach of the U.S. Capitol

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