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  • well.

  • Boris Johnson tomorrow will publish his judgment into the conduct of Pretty Patel after the fact finding report by the Cabinet office and a subsequent assessment by Sir Alex Allen, who is the prime minister's adviser on ministers.

  • Interests on the BBC, as you were saying, has been told that Sir Alex says that the Home secretary had not met the requirements of the ministerial code to treat civil servants with consideration on respect.

  • He also suggests that there may have been an unintentional breach off the ministerial code by pretty Patel.

  • Now here is a key passage by Sir Alex Allen.

  • He says her behavior may not have Bean undone intentionally to cause upset, but that has bean the effect on some individuals.

  • Now, if we want to know which way Boris Johnson will jump tomorrow on the future off Pretty Patel, we should probably look at what he had to say after Sir Philip Rutman resigned as Home Office permanent secretary back in February when he talked about a culture of fear in the home office.

  • The Home secretary is doing an outstanding job.

  • I have every I have every confidence in her.

  • If there are allegations Of course it is right that they should be properly investigated by the Cabinet office, and that is what is happening now.

  • Obviously, it was so Phillips a statement and his resignation that prompted this inquiry, and he raised questions about Pretty Patel's conduct.

  • Now, interestingly, in his assessment, Sir Alex Allen says the civil service needs to reflect on its role.

  • So he says that the Home Office had not Bean as flexible as it could have Bean in response to the home secretary's requests and directions.

  • And he says she has legitimately not always felt supported by the department.

  • And then he says this.

  • No feedback was given to the home secretary off the impact of her behavior, which meant that she was unaware of issues that she could otherwise have addressed.

  • The Home secretary has also become justifiably in many instances, he said.

  • Frustrated by the Home Office is leaderships lack of responsiveness on the lack of support she felt in the Department for International Development three years ago, and there's a strong view amongst allies off the home secretary that it's the civil service that should be apologizing to her tomorrow.

  • Why is it all happening now Well for months, Number 10 has been saying that this report in this process has bean ongoing.

  • On this this week, Lord said.

  • Well, who is the former Cabinet secretary?

  • He said that the findings are now with the prime minister.

  • So what that meant is that had come almost to the final stage of what is a three stage process.

  • So Stage one is there's a fact finding mission by the Cabinet office.

  • Stage two is the prime Minister consults Sir Alex Allen on, then stays three.

  • Tomorrow the prime minister comes to a view.

  • Now I understand that there has been an absolutely almighty standoff between number 10 on senior civil servants because they felt that this report raised very serious questions about her behavior behavior, which they say, really has no place in the modern workplace.

  • Pretty, Patel says.

  • Oh, no, no.

  • This raises big questions about the behavior off senior civil servants.

  • I do have to say I detect no pressure on the Tory backbenches for pretty Patel to go.

  • The sort of words I'm hearing is why remove a robust home secretary at a time like this?

  • Nick, Thanks very much indeed.

  • When I have to discuss this further.

  • I'm joined in the studio by Dave Penman of the FDA Union, which represents civil servants, senior civil servants from south London by the Korean MP, and we will come to her in a moment.

  • But first of all, let's talk also to Deanna Davidson, who represents the South London constituency and home affairs, and from Halifax, where Labour's Shadow minister of immigration Holly Lynch, Let's come to you first off all Dave Penman, What do you make of unintentional bullying?

  • And, well, it seems like the prime minister's no decided that despite what it says, the ministerial code buildings okay, as long as it's in our limited and specific way.

  • F f f is true that the report has found that she has breached the ministerial code.

  • Then the president is quite clear.

  • The last time she brought the ministerial code, it seems extraordinary.

  • Even saying that that wasn't about bowling, she recognized that she had to design, so it would appear that there's there's one rule when it comes to consulting foreign countries on foreign policy is a narrow when it comes to the building civil servants.

  • But does this chime with what your members air telling you.

  • Well, I think Sir Philip and his resignation speech live on air indicated that he had raised concerns about the behavior off the home secretary on it was raising those concerns that actually caused the briefing against the Philippine.

  • Caused ultimately has resignation.

  • So it seems rather extraordinary for to hear that report talking about, it's all Kim's a surprise to the home secretary, but we've spoken to a civil servant who really enjoyed working with it, and you also have neck what they're in the report there was frustration with civil servants working in the home office, but frustration around performance of individuals is very different from building.

  • Anyone in a workplace know that they have to deal with colleagues who you may be frustrated about that maybe issues legitimate issues and kids sounds rates that's very different from building an attempt days of behavior.

  • And if the report has found that she breached the ministerial code, what is the message from the prime minister About ministers who do this says that the only be civil servants can challenge ministerial behavior.

  • Deanna Davison, you know, pretty Patel issue workplace bully.

  • Well, I should just start cursing by saying, My constituency is the Northeast, not in South London, but you know my experience off.

  • Knowing Pretty since I got elected back in December is of someone who is incredibly kind, incredibly courteous, incredibly generous with her time.

  • You know, I've lost count now of the number of times she's found time in her incredibly hectic diary to sit down with me.

  • Let's talk about either constituency matters or just to check up on how I'm doing offer advice of me being a new MP Andi, even to offer me some support when I was getting an awful lot of abuse on social media, which is something that I know she's had to deal with in the past.

  • But you are not working for her.

  • Civil servants worked for her.

  • Is it possible that she could be an unintentional bully?

  • Well, I'm not going to speculate on that.

  • I think you know that.

  • That just seems a ridiculous thing for you to ask me to be honest.

  • Scarcity.

  • What?

  • When you worked with her, though?

  • What?

  • Have you seen Holly Lynch?

  • Well, I think these air incredibly serious allegations that we're hearing this evening.

  • I think Teoh be able to answer Deanna's points?

  • I think it would help everybody.

  • If the investigation was published in full.

  • There would be those differences in power dynamics between Diana and other conservative MPs.

  • Then the would be between the home secretary and her civil servants.

  • We need to have this report published in full give it the transplant.

  • So that is what happens with these reports.

  • Yeah, but this is not traditionally what happens with these reports.

  • I mean, you, you know, it's a very tough job being a minister, you know, you know, because you're a shadow immigration, you know that.

  • It's under a great deal of pressure.

  • Things have to get done.

  • Perhaps simply pretty.

  • Patel is just being a robust home secretary.

  • These are incredibly high pressure jobs, but I think the civil servants are looking France's this evening.

  • That they can have faith in the process is that they are respected and these are really serious allegations that we're hearing.

  • We do need some assurances that our processes in place, that any allegations of bullying within the civil service in any workplace have taken incredibly seriously.

  • But I also think there are questions for the prime minister's answer about his judgment in this.

  • We understand that he's had this investigation, this report on his desk since the summer.

  • So why the delay?

  • Unfortunately, it's marks and as the hallmarks of a cover up, we need to see this investigation in full.

  • And only then will we have confidence in the that.

  • All of the right questions have been asked.

  • Donna Davis, And what do you make of that?

  • Well, I think you know, calling this a cover up is absolute nonsense.

  • You said the prime minister is is gonna be publishing that report tomorrow.

  • But what we need to remember is this investigation started in February.

  • What has happened since February is that we've been hit with a global pandemic.

  • It has been all hands on deck to try and tackle that to try and protect lives, to keep people safe, to keep our economy and our society moving.

  • So it's no wonder that something along these lines has been delayed, more so than anyone would have liked it to have been, because the government has been a little bit preoccupied in governing something that's almost ungovernable.

  • To be fair, the business of government has to go on pandemic or not, we understand this report was ready months ago.

  • Well, as I said, if it's gonna be published tomorrow, we'll wait and see what the report says.

  • Well, it's not going to be published for Dave Penman.

  • We know that the government wants to shake up the civil service that was in its manifesto and actually in the report, pretty Patel herself, apparently in the report, it says that she has faced challenging behavior.

  • Well, if that's the case and civil service, then there are ways for ministers.

  • Thio deal with that.

  • This isn't about nothing.

  • It really doesn't help a discussion about what police behavior.

  • When we talk about challenging issues like performance, because there are reason means of doing that, building is a form of abuse of power.

  • There's a very different relationship between a backbench MP and a minister on a civil servant.

  • It's tough.

  • Working in government from ministers is also tough working government for civil servants.

  • Do you accept that perhaps some silver servants do produce challenging behavior?

  • Of course, every workplace has that, and so do ministers is there is There is a question interpretation, isn't it?

  • Because what is challenging and what is bullying?

  • That is a question of interpretation and that question interpretation on both sides, of course.

  • And what's quite clear is the ministerial code, and the process we've got just now is not an appropriate way for dealing with us.

  • Nine months on the report won't be published.

  • You have from the extract a lead on the prime minister when this report this investigation was launched pledged his allegiance to pretty Patel, and yet he's the only one who is the arbiter of this.

  • The pages allegiance to pretty bitter, but he said he would wait to see how the allegations panned out.

  • To be absolutely clear.

  • It was.

  • But nine months later, the report sitting on his desk for three months with a report that would appear to say that she has breached the ministerial code and yet potentially no sanction.

  • What does he think several servants are going to think about that about this process And his minister for the civil service is Well, uh, let's just ask one question about this delayed because we're in a situation now.

  • Deanna, where we have this report, we won't be published.

  • We're going to hear for what the prime minister says tomorrow and we're no further forward is to actually what's going to happen to Pretty Patel tonight.

  • We don't know if she's going to be reprimanded.

  • We don't know if she's going to be entirely exonerated by the prime minister.

  • It's damaging, isn't it?

  • For the government?

  • Well, I don't think it is damaging us all.

  • We'll hear from the prime minister tomorrow on.

  • The fact of the matter is, you have to look at what it is that the Home Secretary is delivering an incredibly tough circumstances.

  • You know, people in my constituency.

  • So she's doing an absolutely exceptional job introducing measures to tackle crime, tough measures on immigration, which, after all, is what people voted for back in December.

  • She's a tough woman tackling a tough job.

  • She has my face more broadly, though more broadly, do you think more broadly?

  • Do you think that there might indeed be the case that there is a culture of bullying in the government?

  • Well, you're asking me to speculate, Kirsty, I'm not going to speculate on a report that we haven't seen yet.

  • I'm not actually talking about the report.

  • I'm talking about more broadly the atmosphere.

  • Do you think that there could be a culture of bullying?

  • I don't You don't dependent if tomorrow the judgment is made either to exonerate or indeed to censure, but certainly not that pretty Patel should lose her job.

  • Do you accept that this has to be the end of it?

  • Because that is indeed what usually happens with these things that a line is drawn under them.

  • Of course, it's down to the prime minister.

  • That's that's where the problem lies with us.

  • The prime minister is always going to make a political decision on this.

  • That's always going to be the issue.

  • He faces the pressure from the back benches talked about earlier on no appetite to deal with us.

  • That's not what they should be about should be about the facts.

  • That's why we need an independent and transparent process.

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