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  • tell me about what you've done with prison reform, because it's pretty fascinating.

  • I find with the female, um, prisoners as well and is the males where you mentioned it earlier?

  • But when they have that contact or those domestic visits, it really changes that re offending rates.

  • E.

  • I know you've been really pivotal in trying to push that through.

  • Well, as I say, it was the Ministry of Justice.

  • His own statistic that started it often.

  • Um, they actually asked me and Samantha to do the male estate review just the men in prison.

  • So I wasn't looking outside, but how to strengthen their family relationships.

  • And it was interesting that the whole area off family relationships was not really being considered in the rehabilitative program off the prison system, rehabilitation generally meant employment, training, education, which is what so people will learn to be scaffold is and things like this, you know, they had an education, but you had this revolving door, you know, 43% going out coming back in again.

  • And, you know, that was a very high rate and huge cost to the state.

  • So, uh, starting the review and starting to visit prisons and talking to prisoners.

  • You know, there was this, uh It became clear to me that men often went in there and they sort of thought, Well, I'm here for 10 years.

  • She's going to go off with some other bloke.

  • She'll take the Children.

  • There's nothing I could dio So you just give up on in imparting to the men?

  • A sense of responsibility is what I found was was necessary.

  • And I mean to give credit to the Ministry of Justice.

  • They It was their review.

  • I was doing it.

  • I had officials from the Ministry of Justice from the prison Service on my expert panel.

  • I had the charities, I had ex offenders.

  • I had alos people helping me to do it on Samantha and I very much with her wisdom from knowledge of Westminster how it works.

  • Working with the grain of government.

  • I'm a conservative peer.

  • So you've got a You've got a producer review which can be made toe work can be implemented, and in fact, they sort of recommended to us.

  • You should.

  • One of your recommendation should be a regular implementation meeting thereafter.

  • So I'm still having them now with M O J Mr Justice, Officials of people.

  • How you getting on?

  • They are implementing every single one of the recommendation.

  • I remember I was walking along the road with Rory Stewart.

  • Hey, was prison minister at the time and he said, uh, hey said Michael said, How did you do it?

  • How do you do it?

  • I've never known anybody do a government review and they implement every recommendation.

  • 19 recommendations?

  • Well, yeah, with the female, it's it's 35 So I had that.

  • But how do you do that?

  • By building a coalition by using the science, bringing everyone on board, going with the grain of government as well going what can they do?

  • You know.

  • So is this recommendation workable to the Ministry of Justice?

  • You got hold like money, things.

  • I mean, money didn't really come into it too.

  • Too much.

  • But it's a shift in the culture.

  • So I said, three legs of a stool.

  • You've got education, you've got employment.

  • The third leg is family relationships or committed relations.

  • Significant other.

  • A lot of men didn't have family.

  • You got that three legged stool.

  • You haven't got that leg.

  • It's gonna topple over when they go outside, and I call it the golden thread, which should run through the whole rehabilitative process of prisons.

  • And actually, they've taken it on board the civil servants take another board.

  • There's a gradual understanding which has started, finally, enough of the Ministry of Justice.

  • But it's starting to spread through government.

  • I mean, at the moment where learning that there's a Cabinet level family minister being appointed, whose job is to coordinate yeah, policies concerning families cross departmental government departments so that instead of being side does where you got the Ministry of Education not wanting to work with the Ministry of Work and pensions or something on a little their own little her silo.

  • You have an actual policy off.

  • You need to work together here local level, local council level and at government level to produce workable good policies.

  • You put a lot of time on this.

  • Well, I mean, look, I'm in my seventies, you know, there's one of my verses.

  • Some 90 is the sum of motor Moses.

  • It's great in the middle.

  • It says, Lord, teach me to number my days that I may have a heart of wisdom and that really hit me when a zai got older and I thought, I've only got so many days and you depend on the Lord and the Lord has given me the help of from Samantha has got huge knowledge.

  • I got allies.

  • They're like the Center for Social Justice and other allies in Parliament.

  • And you just meet with ministers.

  • You argue you're tryingto put, you know the importance, and it's on the culture shifting.

  • I think it's slowly shifting every department.

  • We didn't talk to the Treasury.

  • Do you know what stable families if you have more stable families, would mean to the productivity of this country?

  • That isn't Why.

  • Why is the UK so poor and productivity?

  • Could it be connected to also the graph, which shows we have, Ah, lot of family breakdown?

  • You know, the bloke in the office who's getting a divorce?

  • Is he gonna work very well.

  • He's going to be stressed.

  • He's gonna be anxious.

  • Yeah, So it's slowly and won praise.

  • You know, when Rory Stewart said, How do you do it?

  • I actually I didn't I just went like that.

  • I don't know if you under stupid Wow, my wife, my wife.

tell me about what you've done with prison reform, because it's pretty fascinating.

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PRISON REFORM: What I Learnt From Visiting Prisoners & Reviewing Prisons - Lord Michael Farmer

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