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  • what made you react the way you did when the police show up?

  • Because, ah, lot of people would get scared by that, um, and would would would Koh Tao would would change their views.

  • So what was that thinking process like for you at that time?

  • I mean, there was a whole lot of adrenaline.

  • Let's be honest.

  • Uh, when?

  • When?

  • When they stand up.

  • I mean.

  • And I know I know you've been on both sides of the law as well, which probably kicks the stakes up even more.

  • You know, you're not just some corporate, you know, Virgin active.

  • You know, CEO, like, you know, you've you've and you've you've lived in incredibly interesting life.

  • So maybe that has something to do with it, too.

  • We get into that later.

  • Yeah, of course.

  • So, I mean, obviously there's a whole lot of adrenaline there.

  • And as you say, I'm not a big corporation.

  • I am a man on his own.

  • You know, I'm a street kid with no education, so I don't know whether they see me as an opportunity to nip this in the bud early on by them.

  • I don't mean the officers that attended because, of course, it wasn't my decision to do this.

  • Now.

  • We had a visit first thing in the morning when we opened, obviously against legislation.

  • The gentlemen, three officers come around, they give us a formal one, and they just said, Look, guys, we know that it's wrong.

  • You know, we're sorry that we're here.

  • We don't wanna have to do this.

  • Um, you know, way the general feel amongst the police is that it is going to get over 10 because we know that it's wrong.

  • We just have to do our job.

  • So, you know, we're here politely, just like you know, as your first one.

  • And you'll likely get another one in tomorrow and then £100 for on the day after 200.

  • A day after that.

  • Ah, Three hours later, they returned in force as you see me, the big yellow holsters.

  • And and they'd come back 2.5, 3 hours later on.

  • But I wasn't present at the gym at the time.

  • I just got homes trying and I was sleep because obviously we're under a lot of pressure and I hadn't slept.

  • They called me and said, Look, you need to get back to the gym.

  • I said, You know, you really need me there.

  • Is it?

  • Is it that important?

  • He's like, You need to get you now.

  • Basically.

  • So I got to the Jimmy's like, Look, we've had orders from the boss's boss's boss that we need to enforce this hard.

  • So we've come here to say you read the Close your doors now, or here's your 1st £1000 fine.

  • It will double every time we give you it.

  • We can give you a fine every three hours.

  • That will go up to a maximum of £10,000 which can then be issued every three hours, which equates to £80,000 a day given over a 24 hour business.

  • So you see the threatening to hit me with an £80,000 find a day?

  • Andi, I said no.

  • My decision was was fueled Ah, lot by the way they handled the situation because even though that they were very enforced on respect to Merseyside police for this, they did not want to be there, and they stressed the point that they knew it was wrong.

  • But this was coming from higher up so to know that, you know, we were breaking legislation and the police were there to do their juicy, which we pay our taxes, you know?

  • I mean, these guys couldn't win if they didn't do their job.

  • We complain that we're paying our taxes.

  • And the police weren't doing their jobs.

  • So they were stuck.

  • The orders come from obviously central governments, and they would be enforced to enforce a piece of legislation that they know.

  • Is it in?

  • Just I'm just so I said, Gentlemen, look, I'm just gonna take a quick video of you just to let the people know that you're here because we are, As you say, the people's Jim, you know, we have a huge sign.

  • The People's Jim.

  • That's what we are like.

  • We wanna keep people up to date and they said, Look, if you close your doors now, we won't find you.

  • I said, guys, you know, it's full of customers.

  • I'm not asking my paying customers to stop in the middle of what they're doing.

  • Eso I said if you could give me enough time to allow them to finish every single person that's in here for a long as they need.

  • I'll close my doors for the day and I reassessed tomorrow.

  • They weren't prepared to do that, so I said I'm really sorry.

  • You're gonna have to give me the fine.

  • So they issued me the first find.

  • Very reluctantly, I might add, obviously, with the intention of coming back three hours later for 2003 hours again for four up to eight, and then to 10.

  • And then every three hours, it will be 10,000 over and over and over.

  • So we got blood of the video straight away.

  • Obviously, I made a public statement to say what happened.

  • Because how do you need?

  • I think there was seven officers and told by the way, I have to double check.

  • I know you can see five in the video.

  • It was seven in total.

  • Two vans.

  • Why do you need seven officers from the division of the police that a trained for firearms to come out and issue £1000 civil fire?

  • Why, for me, that makes no sense.

  • That wasn't the choice of the officers.

  • That was clearly the choice of somebody senior.

  • Oh, somebody in government instructing the police.

  • That's a scare tactic.

  • for me, but that's all it was that was like, right, because we went viral the day before.

  • These guys really have an opportunity here to cause us problems with you know what we're trying to enforce, even though it's unjust.

  • So they tried to nip it in the board, and obviously that backfire.

  • To put the video up its own, like 3.6 million hits now it made national news.

  • You know, it made CNN Russia today It's been everywhere.

  • So you know, that really woke up.

  • The industry on my generation is the whole to be like right.

  • Science doesn't support us.

  • We can actually stand together.

  • And at that point we had about 60% of the gyms in Merseyside standing with us.

  • We got closer to 80 80% as of yesterday, before we got the good news.

  • So, you know, everybody really got behind it, and I think that video was crucial.

  • And I think social media has been crucial in our fight to do this.

  • Um, obviously we've had another 19 visits from the police since fans have been issued across Merseyside.

  • There's, I don't know, maybe 13 14 £1000 fines been issued that just I'm personally aware off.

  • There's probably a fair amount more.

  • But the general field across the border and from the nearly 20 visits we have we've had from the police is this isn't us.

  • We don't want to do this.

  • We know that it's wrong.

  • We know that scientifically, it makes no sense.

  • I mean, I mean, just statistically right across all the sectors.

  • And don't get me wrong here.

  • I'm not saying anybody should close.

  • We should find a way to keep keep the economy alive and get a hold of this virus.

  • There has to be a way that we could do that.

  • So I'm not saying anybody should shoot close.

  • But our sector is responsible for 1.7% of the infection rate.

  • So statistically they've made the West possible choice that they could make.

  • How is that possible?

  • Do that?

  • I mean, how do they expect people not to acknowledge that if they publish the data, here's X amount of sectors?

  • Here's what they contribute to the infection rate.

  • How have they gone for the bottom off?

  • That list on made this statistically West decision, they could possibly make you know and that that's why we ended up with the police supporters with RMP supporters with a mayor, supporters and, most importantly, the people supporters, because it made no sense.

  • Statistically, it was the worst decision that could possibly make.

  • And that's just based on the infection rate, not not even not even taking into consideration the strain that we can alleviate from the NHS.

  • That's not even that's not even bringing that into the conversation.

  • So how how have they made such a drastic era?

  • How has nobody asked this question whatsoever?

  • I don't understand it.

  • I honestly don't.

  • And I know that you don't yourself.

  • And I'm yet to find anybody that could explain to me why this decision has been made on you know why this conversation him and had on why no one's emphasizing the health and fitness industry, you know, to contribute more.

  • So just to summarize all the police visits that we've had, they've all been the same field.

  • They know that it's wrong and they're being forced to implement these cylinders legislation, and you can imagine, for a second psychological damage that's doing to our police thes members of our community who were being forced to strip away the livelihoods of our local businesses of our local community.

  • Fine by fine.

  • We've got a live with.

  • These people are police officers and members.

  • In my gym.

  • I have We are located less than a mile away from our apart hospital, which was the fast hospital in the UK to receive covert patients from China.

  • Chris and Fear, who stood with me publicly on this movement, your own empowered fit there less than a couple of 100 yards away from the hospital.

  • We are ground zero, you know, so way.

  • We understand the severity of the situation and we understand it as a community and as a collective of people that we needed to stand up for what was right.

  • You know, this was never about you know, the financial gain or anything to do with that.

  • We just look the government's data.

  • We knew that we need to We need to unite the people.

  • I'm do the right thing.

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