Does that come from working in the city and being in a medals, you know, exchange ring at 18 and being yelled at and having to go through all of that?

I mean, how much of the city work prepared you for this, or is that a completely different ball game?

No.

I think being a Christian prepared me and being a Christian, I became a Christian, a 30 35 I've been in the city for 17 years.

By then, I got married when I was 30.

Um, Andi, that really sort of change Donned.

Frankly, if you're a Christian, you know, you believe that God is involved in your life And there have been occasions in my city work in running a hedge fund and having very big positions on, for instance, the copper market with the dominant position.

Sometimes eso globally that that one was humbled.

I mean, I'm just using that mixing.

Uh, it's a subject where we could talk about a bit.

But you had a new instance at one point where I think there was an American hedge fund that new your positions and decided to maybe squeeze your copper position.

Maybe metal.

And you lost 30% of your fund net worth in 12 days.

Yeah, that was $900 million in 2007.

12 years?

Yeah, and I was sleeping one hour a night.

Andi, I was a Christian, and I was sort of thinking, What's going on here?

I'm a Christian.

I'm doing Bible studies.

I'm going to church praying.

And then somebody said to me, it was a minister said, You know, Michael, uh, God is sovereign.

He is sovereign.

Aunt, He's your father.

I I saw thinking about Okay, so he is God almighty, omnipotent and omniscient.

But he is my father, and he gives me good things.

So there's something going on here which I don't understand.

I just should relax and just behave in the way that, you know, I think his word guides me to behave, which actually requires humility.

You gotta close out positions.

You gotta talk to investors about losses.

We actually gave back a lot of fees, which would we could have kept.

But we did that.

And in fact, one of the investors.

So, Michael, if you hadn't done that, we would have been off.

It was that sort of thing going on.

But it's a very humbling position on.

Then afterwards I was thinking about Well, what was the good that came out of this?

I thought, Well, what What was it then?

I thought humility.

That's what it waas there.

I waas doing very well.

And even though I thought, you know, one sort of humble Christian guy doing good things, actually, there was in here, actually, a lot of bad guy.

I'm doing pretty well, actually.

Look at me compared to everybody else.

Thank you very much.

Andan all of a sudden you're humbled on.

Actually, humility is a great gift.

It za great gift and very difficult to receive because we all have that inherent pride within us.

You know, all of us do we all want to be somebody you know on Do actually be given the gift of humility.

Ortio, go along.

That path of growing in humility is a very gracious gift of God, I think.

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