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  • I'm a bit frustrated by what I see happening in London with this lock down, you know?

  • What do you think?

  • Drives?

  • Um you know, mayors of large cities to really want to shut down and just bleed and economy when everyone I speak to and I've been speaking to you name it traders on the street, people in hospitality, people, entrepreneurs, people running coffee bars.

  • Like I said, former police officers, they all want to find ways to continue people working safely.

  • Of course.

  • Well, why do you think that knee jerk reaction is to shut everything down?

  • I think that the truth is that our political leaders in Westminster on deed in City Hall, in London and elsewhere don't really know how to best deal with this pandemic.

  • It is unprecedented on that applies to our scientists and people say, follow the signs.

  • But of course, there are many scientists with different views on how to best do this.

  • So there is no one best suggested way off doing this.

  • I think that I think as you said that the lock down initially when we didn't know about this disease how serious it waas waas Probably the right and essential decision to take at that time.

  • Certainly it seemed so, and I think most people wouldn't criticize the the government for doing it.

  • But I think the idea now of having sort of a Siris of lockdowns because if lockdowns are needed, this so called this awful word that people using circuit breaker, this is a disease.

  • This is not an electric circuit.

  • I find that quite unhelpful phrase a ziff.

  • Suddenly, that's a click your fingers solution.

  • And yet these this so called circuit breaker locked down doesn't actually involve stopping people getting together in the areas where we know that the virus is spreading.

  • Now I have three school aged Children myself.

  • I think my my kids do need to be in schools and in education.

  • But that means that is being accepted, that there will be a spread off Kobe, 19 in schools.

  • That's the decision.

  • Let's not.

  • Let's be honest about that.

  • That decision has been taken, so if it was really about controlling the virus and if it was a virus that had a higher death rates and thank goodness it isn't, it is awful.

  • Every single death of of all conditions, is a tragedy and very, very regrettable of people of any age.

  • Um, but you know, if if it was so essential to stop the spread off this disease, then schools could not be open.

  • Workplaces could not be open.

  • Students would not have been told to go back to university.

  • And yet that's not the case.

  • So the idea that simply shutting sections of our economy down and shutting down our pubs because they're deemed not to be essential services whilst allowing people to still go to the supermarket who still go to school it clearly is a flawed strategy.

  • And then what do we do if it makes a slight difference?

  • And then the figures go up again?

  • Do we have another one?

  • Do we have another one?

  • Then in later November, before Christmas over Christmas?

  • Do we do we?

  • Do we ban Christmas altogether?

  • I think that's very unlikely that politicians would do that.

  • And yet, if you're going to say well, you can have Christmas, but we know that the virus will spread because you're having Christmas.

  • Well, how can that fit in with the strategy being presented to us that we need to keep locking things down on.

  • In reality, I think it has become clear we're not going to have a vaccine being developed in the shorter on all of us.

  • Of course, around the world, all you know, human nature is facing this particular disease and pandemic.

  • We all wish that scientists anywhere in the world will find of vaccine.

  • But even then, that is not the silver bullet.

  • Scientists are clear about that.

  • Probably we can't vaccinate everybody anyway, that's not realistic and may not even be necessary.

  • But it's not gonna happen in the short term, so we have to find a way to live alongside it now.

  • That means changing our behavior.

  • Someone reached out to give me a hand shake something that I would have willingly done a few months ago.

  • And of course, they don't know.

  • We can't do that at the moment.

  • I didn't want to look rude, but we have to do things like that.

  • We have Thio have that little bit of distance between people.

  • You know, I haven't seen my own parents since February, and that's and that's tough, but we all accept things like this, but simply thinking that they're easy click your fingers solutions that sound good when you're on a radio interview or a television interview making a sound bite.

  • I'm afraid that is not going to deal with this very complex situation where we have the ongoing spread off Kobe, 19.

  • In places like schools, in places like workplaces, essential work places, you know, I have a plumber visit.

  • Yesterday, I had to have a plumber around because I had a league.

  • You know, I can't stop that happening and nor would anyone suggested.

  • So we need to just change our behavior, find a way to live alongside it on.

  • I think our argument is that pumps on restaurants have shown that that is possible.

  • You know, I once we got used to it after the Fourth of July, is it was, of course, here.

  • That was a a great day for for us here, with pubs finally being able to reopen, so much effort had gone in so much expense in perspective.

  • Screens in signage, in sanitizers, one way systems signs on the floor, extra outdoor space to keep people safe.

  • You know, once people have done it, I was encouraging.

  • People said you try it.

  • You know, I know you're probably feeling nervous, but try it.

  • And everyone who then did said yes.

  • You know what?

  • I feel really safe.

  • I feel safer in the pub than they do in a supermarket.

  • That ideo wandering around in town and city centers.

  • So, actually, and it's a reminder, you know, when you go into an environment like that and you told us, you know, you got to do this.

  • Can you pay by card?

  • Can you make sure that you, you know, stand 2 m apart, follow the signage now masks If we've gotta wear masks, you know, then then we'll do it.

  • But we can't just keep closing things down because the consequences of doing that are not being understood by too many people.

  • I think in the end, we we need to do that puts, I believe, have shown the way and shown they can do it.

  • But unless they're allowed to get back to doing that, doing that without unnecessary restrictions, then I'm afraid we will lose many off them as well as having many, many people struggling, facing hardship, in many cases, looking for work.

  • And then we have another whole host of problems in society and illnesses.

  • Mental illness, physical illness.

  • It's just not a strategy that is sustainable.

  • And I think we're almost at the tipping point.

  • How?

  • My wife.

  • My wife?

  • Yeah.

I'm a bit frustrated by what I see happening in London with this lock down, you know?

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LACK OF LEADERSHIP: Why This Government Are Currently Using a Flawed Strategy - Greg Mulholland

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