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  • >> James: HOW ARE YOU, SIR?

  • I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW THRILLED I AM TO BE ABLETO TALK TO YOU.

  • THANK YOU FOR FINDING THE TIME TO TALK TO US.

  • HOW ARE YOU DOING?

  • HOW ARE YOU GETTING ON?

  • ARE YOU OKAY?

  • >> WELL, I THE WORK I DO IS MORE INTENSE THAN EVER, HELPING WITH

  • VACCINES, HELPING TO GET OUT OF THIS PANDEMIC.

  • I LOVE THAT I GET TO STAY HOME, NO TRAVEL, SO I'M DOING WELL, I

  • ALMOST FEEL GUILTY ABOUT THAT.

  • >> James: HAVE PEOPLE ASKING YOU ABOUT DOE VID-- COVID-19 AND

  • VACCINE REPLACED PEOPLE ASKING YOU FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO FIX

  • THEIR COMPUTERS?

  • HAS THAT CHANGED?

  • HAVE THEY REPLACED EACH OTHER?

  • >> WELL, YEAH, THE WORK I DO AT THE FOUNDATION, HAVE I BEEN FULL

  • TIME AT SINCE 2008 IS USUALLY PRETTY OBSCURE, MALL ARIA, TB,

  • YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE DR. FAUCI AND I, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T

  • KNOW, IS THAT WE ARE NOW, INFECTIOUS DISEASE IS THE MAIN

  • THING PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

  • >> WE HAVE ALL HAD TO MAKE HUGE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE WAY THAT WE

  • WORK.

  • I MEAN MOW HAVE THINGS CHANGED FOR YOU.

  • I IMAGINE-- WHAT IS A TYPICAL DAY IN BILL GATES' LIFE?

  • >> WELL, I GET UP.

  • I SEE WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE DISEASE, HOW MANY NEW CASES, HOW

  • MANY NEW DEATHS.

  • I AK AT THE REPORTS ON ALL THE RESEARCH WE ARE BACKING.

  • AND THEN I'M ON PHONE CALLS.

  • MOSTLY VIDEO CALLS WITH GOVERNMENT PEOPLE, WITH

  • PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES.

  • WITH THE-- THE FOUNDATION SAYING HEY, EVERY MONTH WE GAIN, YOU

  • KNOW, GETTING THE VACCINE DONE, GETTING IT OUT TO THE ENTIRE

  • WORLD, WE SAVE TRILLIONS IN ALL OF THE MISERY.

  • SO WORKING VERY INTENSELY AND I'M PROUD RALLYING AROUND TRYING

  • TO END THE DISASTER.

  • >> TWO OF YOUR CHURN, I KNOW, ARE AWAY AT SCHOOL.

  • AND THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF REPORTS OF COVID-19 OUTBREAKS AT

  • COLLEGES.

  • AS A FATHER, WHAT ADVICE, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO YOUR KIDS

  • TO-- WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM IN ORDER TO BE SAFE WHILE THEY ARE

  • AWAY AT COLLEGE?

  • >> WELL, YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NOT AT GIGANTIC RISK.

  • THEY CERTAINLY HEAR ABOUT MASK WEARING AND SOCIAL DISTANCING A

  • LOT AND I THINK THEY ARE BEING VERY CAREFUL.

  • WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH THAT FROM TIME TO TIME WE CAN MAKE SURE

  • IF, IF THERE IS ANY SYMPTOM THAT SOMEBODY IS FEELING.

  • YOU KNOW, THEY ARE OVER 18 NOW AND SO I HAVE GOT TO TRUST THEM

  • AND I THINK THEY'RE SHOWING GOOD JUDGMENT IT IS A BIT TRICKY WITH

  • THE ONE THAT IS STILL AT HOME.

  • WE SORT OF MADE HER PICK A FEW PLANS AND ONLY SEE THEM.

  • >> THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT IS HAPPENING NOW,

  • AND HAS BEEN HAPPENING THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND WILL CONTINUE TO

  • HAPPEN IS ESSENTIALLY IT BECOMES ABOUT TRUST, RIGHT.

  • MY WIFE AND I, WE HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN AND YOU START THINKING

  • WELL, DO WE TRUST THAT FAMILY.

  • THAT IS WHERE INSTAGRAM IS VERY USEFUL.

  • YOU CAN LOOK AT INSTAGRAM, PEOPLE TELL YOU THIS HE ARE

  • BEING SAFE, TWO DRINKS IN, THEY ARE POSTING VIDEOS FROM A-- YOU

  • ARE LUKE SORRY SON, THAT KID IS NOT YOUR FRIEND ANY MORE.

  • NOW ARE YOU GOING TO BE CELEBRATING YOUR 65th

  • BIRTHDAY NEXT WEEK.

  • WHEN YOU WERE IN YOUR 20S, WHAT DID YOU IMAGINE THAT YOU WOULD

  • BE DOING IN YOUR '60S?

  • >> I'M AFRAID I DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH RESPECT FOR THE DEEP

  • THINKING AND INNOVATION ABILITIES TO LEARN, EVEN OF

  • PEOPLE IN THEIR 50S.

  • MY WHOLE INDUSTRY WAS YOUNG PEOPLE AND WE WERE LIKE WHAT DO

  • OLD PEOPLE DO.

  • SO I HAVE HAD A COMPLETE COUNTERREVELATION THAT OLD

  • PEOPLE CAN BE VERY CREATIVE AND CAN DO GREAT WORK.

  • >> WHEN IT COMES COMES TO YOUR BIRTHDAY I DO HAVE GREAT

  • SYMPATHY FOR ME LUNDA YOUR WIFE, FRIENDS AND CHILDREN BECAUSE YOU

  • MUST BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SHOP FOR.

  • LUKE WHAT DOES A LOVED ONE GET BILL GATES?

  • >> YEAH, THEY USED TO BUY ME MOVIES OR MUSIC.

  • BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN'T, I JUST HAVE THE SUBSCRIPTION, THEY CAN

  • STILL BUY ME BOOKS.

  • I GET A LOT OF THE CLOTHES, I PLAY TENNIS.

  • >> A LOT OF V NECKS.

  • >> I DO HAVE A CLOSET FULL.

  • SO I AM NOT A MAN WHO NEEDS MUCH.

  • >> YOU KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO SEND YOU ON YOUR BIRTHDAY, $5 IN

  • A CARD.

  • >> THANK YOU.

  • >> AND I WILL DO THAT, I WILL MAKE A POINT TO DO THAT EVERY

  • YEAR.

  • I WILL SEND YOU $5 IN A CARD, THAT IS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO.

  • NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR FOUNDATION.

  • WHICH IS DOING THE MOST AND HAS BEEN DOING, BUT FOR THE PAST 20

  • YEAR, THE MOST INCREDIBLE WORK.

  • YOUR CURRENT FOUNDATION SON THE DEVELOPMENT AND DISTRIBUTION OF

  • A COVID VACCINE.

  • I FEEL LIKE THERE IS SO MUCH DS INFORMATION, SO MANY THINGS

  • BEING WRITTEN ON TIME LINESES AND SO MUCH THINGS.

  • I FEEL LUKE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ANYBODY ON PLAN ELEVATOR EARTH.

  • HOW CLOSE ARE WE RIGHT NOW TO A VIABLE VACCINE?

  • >> WELL, THE KEY IS TO HAVE A STRONG REGULATOR, THE U.S. FDA

  • IS CONSIDERED THE BEST, REALLY EXAMINE THE DATA AND SAY IS THIS

  • ACTUALLY SAFE?

  • DOES IT STOP YOU FROM TRANSMITTING.

  • DOES IT AVOID YOU GETTING SICK.

  • SO THAT PROCESS IS UNDER WAY BEFORE THE ENT THE YEAR, IF

  • POSSIBLE, ONE OF THE VACCINES COULD GET THROUGH BUT THE GOOD

  • NEWS IS THAT BY NEXT YEAR WE'RE LIKELY TO HAVE TWO TO FOUR OF

  • THESE THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE CLOUD, HAVE THEM APPROVED AND

  • THEN STARTING TO GET THOSE OUT TO THE HIGHEST PRIORITY

  • PATIENTS.

  • AND EVENTUALLY TO EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WITH.

  • >> James: NOW WHEN YOU SEE WITHOUT NAMING ANY NAMES, WHEN

  • YOU SEE CERTAIN POLITICAL LEADERS TALKING ABOUT OH, THERE

  • IS A VACCINE COMING, IT WILL BE HERE IN NO TIME AND ALL THOSE

  • SORTS OF THINGS.

  • HOW DO YOU FEEL WHEN YOUWATCH THOSE SORTS OF NEWS STORIES AND

  • YOU THINK WELL DON'T TELL PEOPLE THAT.

  • THE MESSAGE SHOULD BE TO STAY SAFE, WEAR A MASK, KEEP YOUR

  • DISTANCE.

  • HOW DO YOU FEEL WHEN YOU SEE THOSE SORT OF CLIPS.

  • >> WELL, IT IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE IT MAKES

  • PEOPLE THINK THAT THE VACCINE MAY GET APPROVED BECAUSE OF

  • POLITICAL PRESSURE AND THAT WE ARE NOT APPLYING THE VERY HIGH

  • SAFETY BAR.

  • FORTUNATELY THE FDA, THE COMPANIES ARE NOT GOING TO LET

  • THAT HAPPEN.

  • WE'LL HAVE A STRONG SAFETY DATABASE HERE BUT IT SHOULDN'T

  • BE SUBJECT TO POLL TUCKS.

  • POLITICS CAN TAKE CREDIT FOR IT OR ANYTHING OF THAT KIND.

  • AND IN PARTICULAR, THEY OUGHT TO LET THE SCIENTISTS, DR. FAUCI

  • AND THE CDC'S PEOPLE GET OUT THERE AND REMIND UG TO LISTENING

  • TO THEM INSTEAD OF DENIGRATING THEM WHENEVER THEY SAY A LITTLE

  • BIT OF BAD NEWS ABOUT HOW THE EPIDEMIC IS CONTINUING.

  • >> BUT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT A VACCINE AND WHEN

  • I SEE PEOPLE SPEAK SPAING ABOUT A VACCINE, LIKE YOU SAY FINDING

  • A VACCINE THAT IS SAFE IS ONE THING MANUFACTURING AND

  • DISTRIBUTING THIS TO AN ENTIRE PLANET IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

  • THING.

  • HOW DO WE GET ENOUGH DOSES OF THE VACCINE AND MAKE SURE IT IS

  • FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ABSOLUTELY NEED IT THE MOST ACROSS THE

  • PLANET.

  • HOW DO WE DO THAT, WHEN I SAY WE, I'M NOT SAYING I WILL COME

  • IN THE LAB WITH YOU.

  • I UNDERSTAND THAT I AM SUDDENLY TAKING ANY SORT OF CREDIT.

  • I JUST SAY HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

  • >> WELL, THE WORLD HAS TO COME TOGETHER ON THIS.

  • THE THING THAT WE ARE DOING THAT IS COMPLETELY NOVEL IS THESE

  • COMPANIES THAT ARE MOSTLY IN EUROPE AND THE UNITED STATES,

  • THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY-- TO COVER THE REST OF THE WORLD WHERE MOST

  • PEOPLE LIVE, THEY ARE DOING AGREEMENTS THAT WE'RE

  • FACILITATING WITH COMPANIES IN INDIA AND OTHER PLACES BECAUSE

  • THAT IS WHERE THE HIGH VOLUME OF VACCINES ARE MADE.

  • AND THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.

  • I'M ON THE PHONE YIET A A BIT ABOUT IS YOUR FACTORY

  • COMPATIBLE, HOW QUUKLY CAN IT GET UP, HOW MANY DOSES CAN YOU

  • MAKE.

  • BECAUSE IT IS LIKELY TO BE A TWO DOSE VACCINE AND WE WILL

  • PROBABLY WANT TO VACCINATE 70 OR 80% OF THE WORLD.

  • SO THAT IS ABOUT 10 BILLION DOSES THAT WE HAVE GOT TO

  • MANUFACTURES BEFORE WE CAN REALLY ELIMINATE THIS THING AND

  • TRULY GO BACK TO NORMAL.

  • >> WITHOUT, YOU REALLY LOVE THE OPTIMISM OF THIS, THAT WE ARE

  • LACKING FORWARD AND ALL THOSE AM BECAUSE IF WE CAN JUST LOOK BACK

  • FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS RIGHT, AROUND FIVE YEARS

  • AGO YOU GAVE A SPEECH WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF

  • AN AIRBORNE VIRUS AND WHAT IT COULD DO TO THE WORLD AND HOW

  • MONUMENTAL ITS EFFECT COULD BE.

  • IF YOU CAST YOUR MEUND BACK TO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS DOSE OR

  • JANUARY OR FEBRUARY WHEN WE FIRST STARTED HEARING ABOUT

  • THIS.

  • WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS THEN WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS

  • VIRUS IN WUHAN AND IF YOU COULD HAVE-- WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE

  • DURCHLY IF YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO TALK TO EVERYBODY AND SAY

  • RIGHT GUYS, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

  • >> YEAH, IN DECEMBER THERE WAS SOME DOUBT IS OF IT TRANSMITTED

  • BETWEEN HUMANS BUT BY JANUARY IT WAS CLEAR YOU WOULD HAVE SOME

  • HUMAN TO HUMAN TRANSMISSION.

  • AND IN FEBRUARY, WE ARE GOT THE FOUNDATION EXPERTS TOGETHER AND

  • I SAID IS THIS GOING TO GO GOBBAL AND SADLY THEY SAID

  • ABSOLUTELY.

  • THIS WILL NOT BE CON TAWNED TO JUST CHINA.

  • IT WILL GET YOU OUT TO MANY OTHER COUNTRYING INCLUDING LOTS

  • THAT WILL FIND IT HARD TO PASS A QUARANTINE AM WE STILL ASSUMED

  • THAT THE U.S. WOULD NOT HAVE A BAD EP DEM YOU CAN BECAUSE WE

  • HAVE MORE TEST KAG PASSITY, THE SO CALLED PPR MACHINES THAN NEW

  • COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

  • AND SO WE ASSUMED TUCKLY WHEN WE HAD PEOPLE COMING BACK FROM

  • CHINA, THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME QUARANTINES.

  • SO IT IS IN FEBRUARY THAT THE IDEA OF GETTING THAT COMMERCIAL

  • TESTING GOING THAT WE REALLY BLEW IT WHERE COUNTRIES LUKE

  • AUSTRALIA, SOUTH KOREA, HAVE HAD A VERY DIFFERENT EP DEM YOU CAN,

  • KEPT THAWR NUMBERS LOW SO THEY COULD DO CONTACT TRACING.

  • NOW WE CAN'T GO BACK AND WE HAVE THE BUG NUMBERS BUT WE STILL

  • NEED BETTER TESTING, BETTER CONTACT TRACING.

  • >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE WAS THERE EVER A

  • MOMENT WHERE YOU WITH WERE THINKING TO WORLD LEADERSES

  • SAYING GUYS, YOU HAVE TO TRUST ME ON THIS, THIS IS WHAT YOU

  • HAVE GOT TO DO?

  • >> WELL, IN FEBRUARY W WE WERE WITH THE CDC SAYING BUILD THE

  • WEBSITE, PEOPLE THAT SHOULD GET ACCESS TO TESTING, WE COULD SEE

  • THAT MINORITIES WERE GETTING SUK MORE AND SO WE HAD TO MAWK SURE

  • THERE WAS EQUAL ACCESS.

  • THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HESITATED TO DO THUNKINGS AT THE LEVEL.

  • THEY HESITATED TO LET THE CDC STEP FORWARD.

  • AND OTHER COUNTRIES HAD KIND OF PRACTICED AND WERE MUCH MORE ON

  • TOP OF IT.

  • SO IT ALL UNFOLDED IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH THAT MUCH TO OUR

  • SURPRISE THE U.S. BECAME A LAGGER EVEN THOUGH THE VIRUS

  • CAME HERE AFTER IT GOT TO EUROPE AND CHINA.

  • >> James: NOW LUKE I SAY, I DO ENJOY THAT YOU HAVE, WHENEVER, I

  • WILL SAY I THINK ANY VIDEO, I HAVE SEEB OVER THE PAST FEW

  • MONTHS GENUINELY I HAVE TAKEN GREAT COMFORT IN, BECAUSE I

  • DO-- IT IS WONDERFUL HEARING SOMEBODY TALK WITH A SENSE OF

  • OPTIMISM ABOUT THE FEATURE AND HOW DO YOU THINK THE WORLD IS

  • GOING TO CHANGE POST THIS PANDEMIC, POST THE VACCINE

  • SHOULD THAT COME ALONG AND WE REALLY HOPE IT DOES.

  • HOW WILL, WHAT DO YOU THILT THE IMPACT WILL BE ON THE WORLD AS

  • WE KNOW IT POST PANDEMIC.

  • >> WE REALLY ACCELERATED IN DOING THUNKINGS DUJ TALLY.

  • SO ALTHOUGH THE PANDEMIC IS-- THIS WILL ACCELERATE OUR

  • FUGGING OUT HOW TO DO ONLINE LEARNING, HOW TO DO

  • TELEMEDICINE, AND WE REALLY CHANGED THE RULES THAT YOU DON'T

  • NEED TO GO TO AS MANY BUSINESS TRIPS.

  • YOU DON'T NEED TO GO TO THE OFFICE AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, A

  • CUSTOMER DOESN'T NOW THINK OH IF THEY DON'T FLY HERE AND SIT IN

  • FRONTS OF ME THEY ARE NOT TALKING ME SERIOUSLY.

  • I DO MEETINGS WITH WORLD LEADERS NOW, AND I WAS TALKING TO PRIME

  • MINISTER MOTU THIS WEEK AND WE CAN DO 20 MONEYSES WHEN IT IS

  • NECESSARY.

  • NEITHER OF US ARE MAWKING BIG TRIPS.

  • SO I DO THINK WE'LL COME OUT OF IT, WITH OUR MEUNDS CHANGED

  • ABOUT A LOT OF ACTIVITIES, YOU KNOW, THE WORKPLACE WILL BE

  • DIFFERENT.

  • BUSINESS TRAVEL WILL BE DIFFERENT.

  • AND SO THAT IS THE UPSIDE OF HAVING BEEN FORCED TO

  • INNOVATION-- INNOVATE IN THE FAAS OF THIS AWFUL EPIDEMIC.

  • >> ames: BEFORE WE GO TO BREAK, THIS COULD BE RELATED TO

  • THE VY RUGS OR NOT RELATED TO THE VIRUS, I'M INTERESTED TO

  • KNOW, WHAT DO YOU FEEL OPTIMISM ABOUT RIGHT NOW IN THIS WORLD.

  • >> YOU'VE BEEN LUCKY TO BE PART OF UNOVATION MY WHOLE LIFE,

  • WHETHER IT WAS WITH MICROSOFT, WORKS, THE IMAGINE SOFT QUARTER

  • OR NOW WHERE MEDICINE IS ADVANCING.