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  • ♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY!

  • WELCOME BACK!

  • SAY HI TO JON BATISTE.

  • ♪ ♪

  • >> Jon: HEY!

  • >> Stephen: I LIKE THAT BUMPER WE JUST SAW.

  • IT WAS LIKE HERB ALBERT AND THE TIJUANA BRASS.

  • >> Jon: I CAN'T WAIT TO GET ON THE ROAD AGAIN.

  • LET'S GET UP AND OUT OF HERE.

  • >> Stephen: WE'RE ON THE ROAD HERE MET FORCALLY THIS THURSDAY.

  • ANOTHER LIVE SHOW, JON.

  • >> Jon: YEAH, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET IT, MAN.

  • >> Stephen: THAT'S WHEN THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD.

  • SEPARATES THE MEN FROM THE BOYS, THE WOMEN FROM THE GIRLS.

  • >> Jon: COME ON, YES.

  • >> Stephen: AND SHOWTIME WE'LL BE LIVE LIKE ELECTION NIGHT.

  • BUILDING BACK AMERICA GREAT AGAIN 2020, THAT'S HALF THE SHOW

  • JUST SAYING THE TITLE.

  • IT'S GOING TO BE SO EASY, JON.

  • >> Jon: I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIT IT ON TWO

  • SCREENS.

  • THAT'S A LONG TITLE.

  • >> Stephen: HOW ABOUT A LITTLE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD MUSIC?

  • >> Jon: YES, INDEED.

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  • >> Stephen: JON BATISTE.

  • THANK YOU, JON.

  • >> Jon: HELLO!

  • >> Stephen: MY FIRST GUEST TONIGHT IS A

  • TONIGHT IS A POLITICAL ANALYST, AUTHOR, AND THE HOST OF "THE

  • REIDOUT" ON MSNBC.

  • PLEASE WELCOME, JOY REID.

  • JOY, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

  • >> IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE, STEPHEN, HELLO.

  • >> Stephen: YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE

  • DONE.

  • YOU HAVE LAUNCHED A NEW TELEVISION SHOW IN THE MIDDLE OF

  • THE PANDEMIC.

  • >> YEAH.

  • >> Stephen: SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO ORGANIZE STAFF AND

  • EVERYTHING REMOTELY.

  • IS THIS A CHALLENGE?

  • >> LUCKILY, I LIKE BEING AT HOME.

  • I WENT FOR THE OPENING OF THE SHOW INTO THE STUDIO FOR 30

  • ROCK.

  • IT WAS DESERTED, SO WE DID A DESERTED OPENING SHOOT.

  • OTHER THAN THAT, WE LAUNCHED IT IN MY BASEMENT WHICH IS FINE

  • WITH ME BECAUSE AFTERWARDS I CAN GO UPSTAIRS AND GO TO BED.

  • >> YOU AND JOE BIDEN, BOTH WINNING FROM THE BASEMENT.

  • >> THAT'S HOW WE DO IT.

  • >> Stephen: 2020, I'LL SEE YOU IN THE BASEMENT.

  • NOW, OKAY, SO WHAT HAS BEEN -- THIS IS KIND OF AN OBVIOUS

  • QUESTION HERE, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY STORIES GOING ON AT ONCE.

  • WHAT IS THE CENTRAL STORY FOR YOU RIGHT NOW?

  • I KNOW WE'RE IN AN ELECTION BUT WHAT IS THE STORY THAT CANNOT BE

  • IGNORED?

  • >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE, FOR A LOT OF REASONS, YOU KNOW,

  • "BLACK LIVES MATTER" HAS BEEN SUCH A HUGE CHANGE IN THE WAY

  • THAT EVERYONE, EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY, THINKS

  • ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT RACE AND CIVIL JUSTICE, BUT EVEN AS HUGE

  • AS THAT STORY IS, AND I THINK THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO BEING THE

  • BIGGEST STORY, I THINK THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN OVERTAKE THE

  • PANDEMIC.

  • THIS GLOBAL PANDEMIC HAS CHANGED THE ENTIRE WORLD, IT'S CHANGED

  • THE WAY YOU'RE DOING YOUR SHOW HERE.

  • WE ARE DOING THIS REMOTELY.

  • IT CHANGED THE WAY WE WORK, THE WAY WE LIVE.

  • IT HAS CHANGED AND DESTABILIZED EVERYTHING ABOUT OUR LIVES, EVEN

  • THE WAY WE PROTEST.

  • SO EVEN IF YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONLINE RELATED MOVEMENTS

  • HAVE BEEN MOVED INTO THE STREET, THEY MOVE BACK ONLINE, AND IN A

  • LOT OF WAYS, JUST BEING OUTSIDE, JUST BEING OUT IN PUBLIC IS SORT

  • OF EITHER THIS REVOLUTIONARY ACT OR SORT OF ANTI-GOVERNMENT ACT.

  • JUST BEING OUTDOORS HAS BECOME A POLITICAL ACT IN AND OF ITSELF.

  • SO I THINK THE PANDEMIC IS THE STORY IF NOT OF THE DECADE, AT

  • LEAST OF THE YEAR.

  • >> Stephen: WELL, YOU'RE A POLITICAL ANALYST.

  • HOW DO YOU ANALYZE THIS MOMENT POLITICALLY?

  • HOW DOES COVID CHANGE OUR POLITICS?

  • >> WELL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP'S REELECTION, HE'S

  • IN A SORT OF FRANTIC END STAGE, PEOPLE CALL IT END STAGE

  • TRUMPISM WHERE HE'S GOING AROUND THE COUNTRY SORT OF FREAKING OUT

  • ABOUT MASKS AND DOWNING JOE BIDEN FOR LISTENING TO

  • SCIENTISTS, ET CETERA.

  • GO BACK AND RE-THINK TO A WORLD IN JANUARY WHERE DONALD TRUMP

  • GOT THAT BRIEFING, WHERE HE IS TOLD COVID IS AIRBORNE, THAT

  • IT'S DEADLY STUFF AS HE TOLD BOB WOODWARD.

  • HE CALLED WOODWARD.

  • WOODWARD DIDN'T CALL HIM.

  • HE SAID THIS STUFF IS DEADLY.

  • THINK ABOUT A DIFFERENT WORLD WHERE DONALD TRUMP HAD ACTED

  • IMMEDIATELY.

  • HE HAS A HOLD OVER 60 MILLION PEOPLE.

  • THEY'LL DO WHATEVER HE SAYS.

  • THEY'LL TAKE ON WHATEVER CAUSE HE GIVES THEM.

  • IF HE HAD SAID THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU'RE A REAL MAN IS IF YOU PUT

  • ON A MASK.

  • EVERYONE NEEDS TO PUT ONE ON.

  • IF HE HAD HANDLED THE PANDEMIC AS IF IT WERE A WAR AND HAD GONE

  • TO WAR AGAINST THE PANDEMIC, HE WOULD NOW BE GOING INTO

  • REELECTION WITH HIGH RATINGS ON THAT ISSUE, WHICH IS THE ISSUE

  • IN THE WORLD FOR EVERYBODY.

  • EVERYBODY WHO CAN'T SEE THEIR GRANDMA, THIS IS THE ISSUE.

  • HE WOULD BE GOING INTO IT WITH AN ECONOMY THAT WAS A COMPLETE

  • AND UTTER DISASTER.

  • THINK ABOUT WHAT DEMOCRATS WOULD HAVE TO BE RUNNING AGAINST IF HE

  • HAD BEEN STRONG ONT THAT ISSUE.

  • IT'S RUINED HIS PRESIDENCY.

  • IT'S OPENED UP ALL HIS OTHER FLAWS AND MADE THEM EVEN MORE

  • SORT OF EXACERBATED IN THE PUBLIC MIND.

  • IT'S RUINED HIS POLITICAL FORTUNES, AND IT'S RUINED THE

  • REPUBLICAN PARTY'S POLITICAL FORTUNES.

  • THIS PANDEMIC IS ALSO THE BIGGEST POLITICAL STORY OF THE

  • YEAR.

  • >> Stephen: OKAY, SO I BUY ALL OF THAT, EXCEPT THAT DOESN'T

  • DONALD TRUMP'S SUCCESS IN 2016 KIND OF THROW UP IN THE AIR OUR

  • ABILITY TO EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THE POLITICAL EFFECT OF A PERSON'S

  • BEHAVIOR IS?

  • BECAUSE BIDEN'S LOOKING GREAT, THINGS ARE LOOKING -- YOU KNOW,

  • KNOCK ON EVERYTHING, BIDEN IS LOOKING GREAT, BUT A LOT OF

  • PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE JOE BIDEN TO WIN ARE FEELING BURNED BY

  • 2016.

  • I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU.

  • CAN WE KNOW WHAT THE POLITICAL REALITY IS RIGHT NOW, GIVEN HOW

  • WRONG PEOPLE WERE IN 2016?

  • >> SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE,

  • BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS PTSD FROM 2016, I HAVE PTSD FROM 2016, BUT

  • THE REALITY IS POLLS ARE ONLY GIVING YOU A SNAPSHOT IN TIME,

  • AND THEY'RE GIVING YOU A GENERAL SENSE OF WHERE THINGS ARE GOING.

  • HILLARY CLINTON ACTUALLY DID WIN BY ABOUT WHAT THE NATIONAL POLLS

  • SAID SHE'D WIN BY.

  • PEOPLE COULDN'T ANTICIPATE A JUMP BALL ELECTION.

  • A JUMP BALL ELECTION IS HARDER TO CALL BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE

  • TO POWERS OF INCUMBENCY LEANING AGAINST IT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE

  • ACTUAL FACT OF A PRESIDENT'S PERFORMANCE AGAINST IT.

  • IT'S LITERALLY A JUMP BALL.

  • YOU THROW BOTH IN THE AIR AND MEASURE THEM BY THEIR FLAWS MORE

  • OR LESS EASILY.

  • THIS ISN'T A JUMP BALL RACE.

  • THIS IS AN INCUMBENT RUNNING FOR ELECTION.

  • HE IS THE THING AT ISSUE, IT'S NOT HIS OPPONENT.

  • IT'S NOT A REFERENDUM ON JOE BIDEN, IT'S A REFERENDUM ON

  • TRUMP, AND ON THE ONE JOB HE HAD, KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.

  • LET PEOPLE SEE THEIR 80-YEAR-OLD GRANDMOTHER, ALLOW PEOPLE TO

  • FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING TO A RESTAURANT, LIVING NORMAL LIVES,

  • LET THEIR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL.

  • HE HAD ONE JOB AS PRESIDENT, HE FAILED, AND THAT MEANS THIS IS

  • AN ELECTION ABOUT HIM.

  • THEN YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT HIT.

  • HE'S THERE NOW.

  • HE DIDN'T HANDLE THE ECONOMY WELL WHEN IT CAME TO THE

  • PANDEMIC.

  • ONE-QUARTER OF BUSINESSES FAILED.

  • 20 MILLION PEOPLE ON UNEMPLOYMENT, 8 MILLION CAN'T

  • PAY THEIR RENT.

  • HIS FOREIGN POLICY IS POOR.

  • WE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF THINGS IN THE WORLD, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN

  • ENRAGED, ANGRY ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR, WE'RE NOW A SUBJECT OF PITY

  • ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

  • WE HAVE FEW FRIENDS AND THE FRIENDS WE HAVE ARE LIKE KIM

  • JONG UN AND PUTIN.

  • EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM IS MAGNIFIED BY THAT FAILURE, SO,

  • NO, I THINK THE DATA IS RIGHT, BUT THE X FACTOR HERE IS

  • CHEATING.

  • IT'S WHETHER OR NOT REPUBLICANS WILL TRY TO STEAL AN ELECTION

  • THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JOE BIDEN TO WIN.

  • THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AND

  • ( VOTING ) VOTE, MAKE IT A BIG MARGIN SOUTH

  • HARDER TO CHEAT.

  • >> Stephen: WHEN YOU SAY CHEAT YOU MEAN SUPPRESS THE VOTE OR

  • STEAL BALLOTS, CHANGE RESULTS?

  • >> THERE'S THE OLD, YOU KNOW, 1960, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE

  • THINK PEOPLE WILL GO IN -- YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A LOT OF

  • REPUBLICANS TO THIS DAY DON'T BELIEVE JOHN F. KENNEDY WON THE

  • RACE.

  • THAT'S NOT THE CHEATING NORMALLY WORKS.

  • ONE WAY TO CHEAT IS TO GO AFTER THE VOTER ROLE.

  • TO TAKE PEOPLE REGISTERED TO VOTE, YOU GO IN, SAY, I'M

  • STEPHEN COLBERT AND THEY SAY SORRY, YOU'RE NOT ON THE ROLLS.

  • >> Stephen: WHAT HAPPENED IN GEORGIA.

  • >> EXACTLY.

  • AND YOU CAN LITERALLY DO THAT.

  • SOME PEOPLE -- STEALING BALLOTS IS A VERY SMALL PART OF IT.

  • THE SECOND WAY TO DO IT IS TO INTIMIDATE PEOPLE INTO NOT GOING

  • AT ALL, MAKE PEOPLE THINK IT'S FUTILE, TURN THEM AWAY.

  • WE KNOW THERE'S AN OPERATION PUT IN PLACE BY REPUBLICANS IN 2016

  • DESIGNED TO DETER PEOPLE FROM VOTING.

  • THEY THROUGH FAKE INFORMATION, RUSSIA, HILLARY CLINTON SAYING

  • DON'T VOTE FOR HER, JUST STAY AT HOME.

  • THE THIRD WAY IS THE SCARY WAY WHICH IS TO SAY BIDEN WINS

  • PENNSYLVANIA AND THEN THE STATE LEGISLATURE IN PENNSYLVANIA SAYS

  • WE DON'T BELIEVE BIDEN WON PENNSYLVANIA BECAUSE THERE WAS

  • SOME ABSENTEE WHROTTING.

  • WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND IN OUR OPINION AS THE STATE LEGISLATOR,

  • WE'RE GOING TO SET ASIDE THE ELECTION AND GIVE THE

  • ELECTORATES TO TRUMP.

  • THAT'S THE SCARY WAY.

  • ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME WITH

  • RUSSIA'S HELP.

  • >> Stephen: WHEN WE COME BACK, I'LL ASK JOY HER THOUGHTS ABOUT

  • WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE UPCOMING TRUMP-BIDEN DEBATE ON THURSDAY.

  • STICK AROUND.

♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY!

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