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  • so no less than three times last night, the word psychedelics came up.

  • No.

  • Yes, I was kind of surprised.

  • And I wanted to ask you about that next week.

  • Actually, I'm taking a journey down to Costa Rica, and I'm planning three Iowa ska ceremonies.

  • Have you ever done that?

  • I've done it once and all three times before five or six years ago, so I am fairly terrified.

  • That's good.

  • Should be absolutely, man, you know, and again, I feel like I just want to make sure I'm in touch with doing something meaningful.

  • I think sometimes my human brain can trick me.

  • And to think I'm doing something meaningful when in fact I'm doing something just beneficial to me.

  • Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • I just worrying what your thoughts were.

  • And that was weird.

  • That that came up so many times between you and Sam.

  • And I just wondered, What do you think about psychedelics and what do they do and what?

  • I have no idea what they do there.

  • What we don't understand about psychedelics is a very thick book.

  • They bend the structure of reality, and and and I don't I can't understand what they do I have no conceptual framework for psychedelics.

  • I have no idea what they are.

  • They could be anything.

  • I have no idea.

  • There, there, there unbelievably strange.

  • What they reveal to me is how little we know about everything and its terror that that's a terrifying thing.

  • Okay, something to be investigated further with great risk.

  • Okay, now you know.

  • I mean, it's interesting.

  • So the the scientific literature certainly indicates that under some circumstances, psychedelic use can produce outcomes that you could regard is beneficial.

  • Psilocybin seems to be a very effective agent to help people stop smoking.

  • That's quite interesting, cause that's that That's a hard problem.

  • And it does kill people.

  • 85% success rate was what was reported in the last investigation.

  • If people had a mystical experience, 85% of them quit smoking.

  • It's pretty interesting.

  • I think that they can help you orient yourself morally, but look the hell out.

  • So you know you you should.

  • When people used to approach the holy of holies in the Old Testament, they purified themselves ritually.

  • It's like that's not a bad idea.

  • If you've got a lot of unfinished business lurking around in your soul.

  • You might wanna clear some of that out before you try to attain wisdom that's beyond your understanding.

  • May be a way to get in touch with the dark side possible?

  • Well, yes.

  • Or to have it get in touch with you.

  • So to be where the where the experience is useful.

  • They were very traumatic and very useful.

  • They pushed me further into giving Mawr, starting a family, becoming less and less selfish.

  • They're also, you know, difficult.

  • But they taught me a lot about myself, and I don't think would have figured that out on my own.

  • Or it might have taken me a long time.

  • Yeah, well, I think that's that's a common.

  • That's a common account of the consequences.

  • What did they do to the way that you looked at the world?

  • May be more grateful to be a part of this world.

  • Didn't feel like it was a burden again.

  • I struggled a bit with nihilism as well tell what's the point of this matter?

  • But I felt more connected to the human experience, and then I played a part in it, and I think you probably know from studying alcoholism, I think a lot of alcoholics feel just detached from this world, and they use that to sue that pain.

  • At least I did.

  • And so for this, it got me back in the game and showed me that I needed to be a part of this game and not not be on the outside.

  • I thought I could function without being emotionally involved with the rest of the species, and I couldn't.

  • So once I got that meaning online, that's when the nihilism goes away.

  • I feel like a life.

  • Well, you know, religious transformation is one of the well documented modes of treatment for alcoholism.

  • It's one of the few things that the litter treatment literature actually indicates works so which is, you know, hard to fathom but appears to be the case, so not something that's worth serious consideration.

so no less than three times last night, the word psychedelics came up.

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    林宜悉 posted on 2020/09/01
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