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  • So Van, we've seen so many peaceful protests turn violent.

  • Do you think that was just bound to happen?

  • Listen, if you think about it, if you have 100 people who all

  • come out at the same time, if only one of those people

  • is a troublemaker, is a paid provocateur,

  • is somebody who wants to do something negative,

  • or just some local knucklehead, troublemaker,

  • something bad can happen.

  • Well, as you start adding numbers,

  • you go from 100, to 1,000, to 50,000

  • across the country, 100,000 people,

  • you're going to have a larger number of people

  • who are doing stuff like that.

  • Unfortunately, we then focus on that.

  • What I think is so sad is we're missing the common ground.

  • You know what the common ground is?

  • Nobody likes lawlessness.

  • We don't like lawlessness in police departments.

  • That's what the protests are about,

  • it's lawlessness, police failing to obey the law in police

  • departments, which then creates lawlessness

  • in the streets in response.

  • So there's no pro-riot caucus in the black community.

  • There's no there's no pro-crime caucus.

  • Nobody wants peaceful streets more than black people,

  • trust me.

  • I'm trying to raise two black boys here in Los Angeles.

  • I'm not for riots.

  • But if you want to hold young people to high standards

  • out there in the streets--

  • and I do every day--

  • you should also hold older people,

  • especially older people in uniform,

  • to even higher standards.

  • And if you just stay consistent, we're consistent,

  • we want lawful behavior, and we don't

  • care if you're wearing your blue jeans and a t-shirt

  • or if you're wearing a blue uniform,

  • we want lawful behavior, then there's common ground.

  • The problem is, when you start saying,

  • well, I'm no longer going to talk

  • about the lawlessness in the police departments

  • because I'm so mad at the people who are throwing bricks,

  • it is unfair to the black community.

  • There are 40 million African-Americans, 40 million.

  • 0.000000001% have thrown a brick.

  • Why should the rest of us have our pain and our fear

  • as parents completely erased because

  • of what a tiny, tiny rounding error of people are doing?

  • And frankly, many of them have white and other people

  • alongside of them.

  • Some of them may be provocateurs.

  • So let's not let the disturbances

  • disturb our equilibrium.

  • There is common ground against lawlessness,

  • starting with police departments.

  • There's a way out of this.

  • But we've got to be able to keep our eye on the prize.

  • Listen, there's three things, very simple.

  • What can we do?

  • What can we do?

  • It's very simple.

  • The solution stack is so simple.

  • Jail the four cops who were involved.

  • Jail them.

  • Charge them.

  • Maybe they can get off in a jury trial.

  • But at least arrest them.

  • Number two, bipartisan police reform legislation

  • to ban chokeholds and have excessive force, a standard

  • that make some sense.

  • And number three, surge some economic support

  • into these communities that have been suffering all this time.

  • And this whole thing will be over.

  • It could be done in a week.

  • Yeah, I mean, we have to take a break.

  • But I mean, I don't know by the time

  • this airs Thursday if they will have been arrested.

  • But the fact that it's taken this long--

  • and I know they're trying to find a solid case--

  • they don't wait for a young black boy or man

  • to be a strong case before they arrest them,

  • much less kill them.

  • They don't wait 10 seconds.

  • No, they don't wait at all.

  • So this should have happened day one.

  • And then they just arrest the guy

  • that was sitting on his head with his hands in his pocket.

  • But they don't arrest the other three

  • who are complicit-- just, anyway,

  • we're going to take a break.

  • Makes me mad.

  • We'll be back.

  • We're back with the host of CNN's is

  • The Van Jones Show, Van Jones.

  • Good thing you got cast in that.

  • Because that's a good--

  • it's Van Jones, and that's your name.

  • So tWitch, what were you saying just now to Van?

  • That everybody needs to hear what he just said,

  • from front and back.

  • Because with all of the emotion that's

  • going on surrounding what's happening in the streets

  • as far as rioting, and looting, and protesting, which one is

  • which, which one is better, and what should stop, and why,

  • what you just spoke about as far as common ground

  • needs to be heard the way that you just said it.

  • And also, because the way that you said it,

  • it was uninterrupted.

  • There was nothing to argue against,

  • which is what's happening in a lot of the comment sections.

  • When people try to voice our concern,

  • people come back with a counter argument and things like that.

  • But the way that you just put that, I mean, to me, it was it

  • was perfect.

  • There's no way that anyone can argue--

  • well, anyone with sense, I'm sorry--

  • could argue what you just said.

  • And I feel like the world needs to hear that.

  • Because it is.

  • It is common ground that we need to hear right now.

  • And, bro, I give it up to you.

  • Because that was said perfectly.

  • That was said perfectly.

  • Thank you, brother.

  • Thank you.

  • Absolutely.

  • Yeah, I think that was a really great show that we

  • had Mayor Keisha and Van on.

  • Because I think, as I said in the beginning of the show,

  • I'm going to do everything I can to educate myself.

  • And I want to help other people learn from watching the show,

  • and how they can do the same, and be better people,

  • and be better allies.

  • Tell me, what is just a couple of things

  • that people watching can do?

  • Look, everybody should watch this documentary

  • called The 13th.

  • It's about the 13th amendment and the way

  • that the prison system has been built up.

  • There's a book called The New Jim Crow.

  • I encourage everybody to read that.

  • And there's a book called White Fragility, White Fragility.

  • And it just talks about why it's so hard for white people

  • to talk about race and racial issues.

  • And when you understand what's going on in your mind

  • when these things come up, it's so much easier to learn.

  • So those three sources, I think, are great.

  • Yeah, Ava DuVernay, and also I just ordered that book.

  • Because I was watching tWitch speak about it.

  • So I ordered a few books that tWitch recommended.

  • We'll post those on our website, some more books

  • that people can read to help.

  • Van will be hosting a CNN and Sesame Street town

  • hall called Coming Together Standing Up

  • to Racism this Saturday at 10:00 AM eastern on CNN.

  • Van, thank you so much.

  • Come back anytime.

  • Thanks for everything.

  • Thank you.

  • Appreciate being here.

  • We'll get through this.

  • All right, we'll be back.

So Van, we've seen so many peaceful protests turn violent.

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