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"Till death do us part."
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When we get married, we make vows.
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To love, to honor,
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to forsake all others.
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Or as a friend of mine put it,
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"Not to leave dirty socks all over the house."
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(Laughter)
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We may fall short of some of our promises
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some of the time,
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but one that will always hold true is that first one:
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"Till death do us part."
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Because spouses are bound together by their decisions,
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in marriage and in divorce.
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So, a mentor of mine once told me,
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"You should always marry your second husband first."
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(Laughter)
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What did that mean?
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It didn't mean that Mr. Right is somehow waiting behind door number two.
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It meant that if you want to understand
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what makes a marriage work,
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you should think about how a marriage ends.
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Divorce makes extremely explicit
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what the tacit rules of marriage are.
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And everyone should understand those rules,
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because doing so can help us build better marriages from the beginning.
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I know, it doesn't sound very romantic,
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but sometimes the things we do out of love
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can be the very things that make it hard for that love to last.
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I am a family-law professor.
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I have taught students,
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I've been an attorney,
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I'm a mediator
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and I've also been divorced.
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And I'm now happily married to my actual second husband.
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(Laughter)
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The reason that I think this is so important
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is that I think everyone should be having some of these very painful conversations
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that divorced people experience.
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These are painful conversations about what we contributed,
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what we owe,
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what we are willing to give
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and what we give up.
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And also, what's important to us.
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Those conversations should be happening in a good marriage,
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not after it is broken.
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Because when you wait until it's broken,
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it's too late.
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But if you have them early on,
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they can actually help build a better marriage.
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Three ideas that I want to put on the table
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for you to consider.
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One, sacrifice should be thought of as a fair exchange.
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Two, there's no such thing as free childcare.
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And three, what's yours probably becomes ours.
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So let me talk about each of these ideas.
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The first one,
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sacrifice should be a fair exchange.
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Take the example of Lisa and Andy.
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Lisa decides to go to medical school early in the marriage,
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and Andy works to support them.
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And Andy works night shifts in order to do that,
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and he also gives up a great job in another city.
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He does this out of love.
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But of course, he also understands
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that Lisa's degree will benefit them both in the end.
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But after a few years, Andy becomes neglected and resentful.
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And he starts drinking heavily.
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And Lisa looks at her life and she looks at Andy and she thinks,
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"This is not the bargain I wanted to make."
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A couple of years go by,
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she graduates from medical school,
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and she files for a divorce.
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So in my perfect world,
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some kind of marriage mediator would have been able to talk to them
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before Lisa went to medical school.
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And at that point, that mediator might have asked,
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"How exactly does fair exchange work?
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What does it look like in your marriage?
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What are you willing to give and what are you willing to owe?"
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So in a divorce,
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Lisa now probably is going to owe Andy financial support for years.
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And Andy ...
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no amount of financial support is going to make him feel compensated
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for what he gave up,
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and the lost traction in his career.
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If the two of them had thought about their split early on,
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what might have gone differently?
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Well, it's possible that Lisa would have decided
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that she would take loans or work a part-time job
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in order to support her own tuition
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so that Andy wouldn't have had to bear the entire burden for that.
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And Andy might have decided to take that job in that other city
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and maybe the two of them would have commuted for a couple of years
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while Lisa finished her degree.
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So let's take another couple, Emily and Deb.
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They live in a big city,
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they have two children, they both work.
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Emily gets a job in a small town,
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and they decide to move there together.
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And Deb quits her job to look after the children full-time.
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Deb leaves behind an extended family,
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her friends
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and a job that she really liked.
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And in that small town, Deb starts to feel isolated and lonely.
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And 10 years later, Deb has an affair,
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and things fall apart.
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Now, the marriage mediator who would have come in
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before they moved and before Deb quit her job
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might have asked them,
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"What do your choices about childcare
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do to the obligations you have to each other?
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How do they affect your relationship?
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Because you have to remember
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that there is no such thing as free childcare."
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If the two of them had thought about their split beforehand,
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what would have gone differently?
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Well, maybe Deb would have realized a little better
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how much her family and her friends were important to her
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precisely in what she was taking on,
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which is full-time parenthood.
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Perhaps Emily,
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in weighing the excitement of the new job offer
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might have also thought about what that would mean for the cost to Deb
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and what would be owed to Deb
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as a result of her taking on full-time parenthood.
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So, let's go back to Lisa and Andy.
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Lisa had an inheritance from her grandmother
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before the marriage.
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And when they got married, they bought a home,
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and Lisa put that inheritance toward a down payment on that home.
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And then Andy of course worked to make the mortgage payments.
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And all of their premarital and marital property
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became joined.
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That inheritance is now marital property.
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So, in a split, what's going to happen?
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They're going to have to sell the house and split the proceeds,
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or one of them can buy the other out.
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So this marriage mediator,
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if they had talked to them before all of this happened,
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that person would have asked,
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"What do you want to keep separate and what do you want to keep together?
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And how does that choice
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actually support the security of the marriage?
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Because you have to remember
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that what's yours, probably, will become ours,
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unless you actually are mindful and take steps to do otherwise."
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So if they had thought about their split,
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maybe they would have decided differently,
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maybe Lisa would have thought,
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"Maybe the inheritance can stay separate,"
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and saved for a day when they might actually need it.
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And maybe the mortgage that they took on wouldn't have been as onerous,
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and maybe Andy wouldn't have had to work so hard to make those payments.
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And maybe he would have become less resentful.
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Maybe they would have lived in a smaller house
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and been content to do that.
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The point is,
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if they had had a divorce-conscious discussion
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about what to keep separate,
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their marriage might have been more connected and more together.
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Too often in marriage, we make sacrifices,
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and we demand them,
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without reckoning their cost.
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But there is wisdom in looking at the price tags
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attached to our marital decisions
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in just the way that divorce law teaches us to do.
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What I want
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is for people to think about their marital bargains
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through the lens of divorce.
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And to ask,
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"How is marriage a sacrifice,
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but an exchange of sacrifice?
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How do we think about our exchange?"
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Second:
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"How do we think about childcare
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and deal with the fact
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that there is no such thing as free childcare?"
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"How do we deal with the fact
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that some things can be separate and some things can be together,
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and if we don't think about it,
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then it will all be part of the joint enterprise."
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So basically,
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what I want to leave you with is that in marriage or divorce,
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people should think about the way
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that "till death do us part" marriage
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is forever.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)